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Montana
Orange Belt
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Posts: 183
Location: Formerly Montana, now Spokane, WA
Styles: Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo & Kobudo
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We don't teach it or use it in Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo. It goes against our philosopy that any kick above the waist will get you neutered or your knee broken.
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Zanshin
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Joined: 26 Feb 2007
Posts: 401
Styles: Wado Ryu Karate, Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu, Ono-Ha Itto-Ryu Kenjutsu
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| Why does the WKF consider the kick an illegal technique? I don't see it as overly dangerous. |
It comes under the World Karate Federation Kumite Rules, article 8 (Prohibited Behavior), Category 2, sub section 6 "Techniques, which by their nature, cannot be controlled for the safety of the opponent and dangerous and uncontrolled attacks"..... Apparently!!
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NewEnglands_KyoSa
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 907
Location: New England
Styles: Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do , Chinese Kempo
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| Why does the WKF consider the kick an illegal technique? I don't see it as overly dangerous. |
Its considered dangerous because you can't really pull it. In order for it to be a point it has to be within the body, and you can't do that without anialating the person. So its considered dangerous. once you launch it, it's going.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 11994
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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That helps to clarify. Thank you.
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Rateh
Green Belt
Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 352
Location: USA
Styles: Chun Kuk Do, Omega MA, BJJ
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Actually thats why I have never thrown an axe kick in sparring, I'm afraid of hurting my opponent.
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NewEnglands_KyoSa
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 907
Location: New England
Styles: Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do , Chinese Kempo
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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No problem.
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 981
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Rateh wrote: |
| Actually thats why I have never thrown an axe kick in sparring, I'm afraid of hurting my opponent. |
I've seen KOs and TKOs from axe kicks, but they are not too common. If it is full contact rules you should be ok, however the trick is being able to pull off an axe kick fast enough/ have the flexibility.
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BDPulver
White Belt
Joined: 12 Apr 2008
Posts: 21
Location: Kentucky
Styles: Isshinryu
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Had to sit and think bout this with my instructor. I dont think we ever used a axe kick. Even for warm ups. We use a crescent kick which almost has same principle but generally its our warm up kick.
My sensei studied two other styles before he choose the path of isshinryu. He always told us that in self defense, any kick going over the waist is dangerous and impractical.
Kumite though, as long as keep our kicks over waist high we were good.
I need to review the other kata advanced katas though, in one kata your imatating grabbing the attackers head and delivering a sweep type crescent to there head before going into a crouch position 180 degrees. And another kata we are using heal stomps imatating that we have oppenents arm and delivering the heal to there back forceing them down.
Thats bout all I can think of at the moment. |
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northerndragon
Yellow Belt
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
Posts: 30
Location: Alaska
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All responses here were great: glad it provided discussion of a little used, if at all, tournament kicking technique.
Dobbersky:
I see how, with the Kyokushin practitioners, that this kick has offered kumite wins. Given their reputation, voiced here, and through word of mouth, Kyokushin seems to be the one of the few lineages that uses it at the tournament level. They are tough folks, Kyokushin. Uff-Da, as the Scandinavians would say! LOL
For me personally, I see how it's effective when an opponent turns their back, but it telegraphs mightily, by the mere nature of the upward swinging arc. Its speed does make up for that. |
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armanox
Orange Belt
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 173
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Styles: Shorin (Kobayashi) Ryu Karatedo, Aikikai Aikido
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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In our style we do not use the axe kick. It does not appear in any kata, and thus it seems to be ignored in the style.
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on the post.
