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Rainbow_Warrior
Blue Belt
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 349
Styles: Now : MMA/luta livre/Thai , before :Kung fu,kick boxing , boxing, amateur wrestling
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 Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: Best moves against non grapplers. |
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What moves could be used easily against some one who does not grapple to finish it fast?
Takedowns : double leg , single leg...clinching , locking his leg and push ?
on the ground : frontal mataleon ? armbars ? kimura ?
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1705
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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For people that have no grappling experience (including wrestling) I can usually do anything I want. Usually a sit-over sweep to the mount (they usually turn their back) and I get em with rear naked choke.
Wrestlers don't sweep quite as easily. Usually I submit them from guard with armbar or triangle. Often they give up their back and I get the rear naked choke.
So just about any takedown standing
Armbar, Triangle, Guillotine Kimura, sit over sweep, scissor sweep and so on....
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 12924
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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This is coming from my personal experience, but if it were me, fighting me, I would just take me down and attempt to mount the beatdown. I don't ground fight well, and a simple takedown can take away a good striker's abilities. Once you take them down, and can maintain some form of control over them, that should be a huge advantage to you.
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kenpo4life
Orange Belt
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 230
Location: oakland, ca
Styles: kenpo, judo, bjj, escrima
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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High clinch to hip throw. On concrete that will incapacitate most folks.
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WolverineGuy
Brown Belt
Joined: 30 Mar 2003
Posts: 710
Location: Flint, MI
Styles: Kalkinodo, San Chin Ryu, Grappling Fanatic
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the double and single leg takedowns are probably easiest to pull off...then just pass the guard, or mount if you landed in side control. Remember with the double leg and single leg that you need to keep running through your opponent...natural instinct to defend is to sprawl. If you do that, you should be golden, since non grapplers have a hard time defending against grappling attacks.
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pittbullJudoka
KF Sempai
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
Posts: 500
Styles: Ryu Kyu Kempo, Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu, Japanese Jujitsu , Judo, Wrestling, Submission Wrestling, Hayastan, Mixed Martial Arts
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| If they have no knowledge of ground work take this time to use stuff that you don't normally get to use. omoplata, gogoplata, ect. It's your chosing if they don't grapple. |
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 987
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Double, single, maybe osoto gari or another throw for the take down. For submissions a kimura or armbar would suffice I think. RNC also get the job done since usually if you have the experience once you get their back they are done.
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MMA_Jim
Yellow Belt
Joined: 05 Dec 2007
Posts: 68
Location: Philadelphia
Styles: BJJ, Muay Thai
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| By definition just about every basic move you're going to attempt against a non grappler is going to work, simply due to the fact that said person doesnt even have the knowledge to defend whichever particular technique you're attempting. |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 12924
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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If you are skilled at takedowns, then perhaps feining like you are "puffing up" and stand tall, then drop fast to takedown, that can throw them off, because they will most likely "puff up" with you, making themselves taller and more vulnerable to the takedown.
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billydail
White Belt
Joined: 26 Dec 2007
Posts: 1
Location: ayden,nc
Styles: judo,jiujitus
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| arm bars , and head locks are allways good |
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on the post.
