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Sohan
Black Belt
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 1986
Location: Atlanta
Styles: Shorin Ryu Karate-Do, Muay Thai, Shudokan Karate-Do, Boxing, BJJ, Hung Gar Gung Fu
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| fighting skills. brains over bronze. you can be the strongest man in the world, but it you dont know what your doing then yyour in trouble. and bodybuilders build thier bodys mostly with steroids and most of them aernt really strong. most weight lifters dont even have bulging muscles but they can still lift a bunch |
If you think steroids are only for building muscle mass, then you apparently don't follow major league baseball. Don't make the mistake of assuming bodybuilders aren't very strong, even the ones who don't juice.
Anyway, fights have many, many variables that determine success. It's not a black and white issue of skills vs strength. I have substantial skills and am quite strong, but I'd rather walk away from a fight with a 275 lb powerlifter than fight him if he will give me the chance. Street fighting is a messy, ugly thing that always runs the risk of you being killed, no matter the situation or the eventual result.
With respect,
Sohan
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 14121
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| fighting skills. brains over bronze. you can be the strongest man in the world, but it you dont know what your doing then yyour in trouble. and bodybuilders build thier bodys mostly with steroids and most of them aernt really strong. most weight lifters dont even have bulging muscles but they can still lift a bunch |
How much do you think your skill will help you if that juicing bodybuilder decides to punch you in the back of the head as you walk away?
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1713
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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Professor Pedro Sauer (Now a 6th degree black belt under Helio and Rickson Gracie) vs. Mr. Utah in 1992. Pedro taps him with an armbar in an NHB fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnvaBMlNpI
Of course this is not a street fight. But skill clearly triumphs over muscle. Pedro takes a couple knocks though.
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 988
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ps1 wrote: |
Professor Pedro Sauer (Now a 6th degree black belt under Helio and Rickson Gracie) vs. Mr. Utah in 1992. Pedro taps him with an armbar in an NHB fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnvaBMlNpI
Of course this is not a street fight. But skill clearly triumphs over muscle. Pedro takes a couple knocks though. |
That was beautiful  *sniff*
But it must be mentioned that the guy's size and streangth DID make ALOT harder for the BJJ guy.
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Sohan
Black Belt
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 1986
Location: Atlanta
Styles: Shorin Ryu Karate-Do, Muay Thai, Shudokan Karate-Do, Boxing, BJJ, Hung Gar Gung Fu
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ps1 wrote: |
Professor Pedro Sauer (Now a 6th degree black belt under Helio and Rickson Gracie) vs. Mr. Utah in 1992. Pedro taps him with an armbar in an NHB fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnvaBMlNpI
Of course this is not a street fight. But skill clearly triumphs over muscle. Pedro takes a couple knocks though. |
That was beautiful *sniff*
But it must be mentioned that the guy's size and streangth DID make ALOT harder for the BJJ guy. |
Plus, not many of us on this board are Pedro Sauer.
With respect,
Sohan
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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| NightOwl wrote: |
| ps1 wrote: |
Professor Pedro Sauer (Now a 6th degree black belt under Helio and Rickson Gracie) vs. Mr. Utah in 1992. Pedro taps him with an armbar in an NHB fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnvaBMlNpI
Of course this is not a street fight. But skill clearly triumphs over muscle. Pedro takes a couple knocks though. |
That was beautiful *sniff*
But it must be mentioned that the guy's size and streangth DID make ALOT harder for the BJJ guy. |
Plus, not many of us on this board are Pedro Sauer.
With respect,
Sohan |
All good points.
Think about this: 2nd Degree BJJ=at least 10 years exp. Could be 15. If Mr. Utah had no fight experience what so ever, this is still a testament to what being big and strong can do for you. Even though Sauer did win, look how long it took to get the job done. Most bar fights aren't going to last that long.
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badclams
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Location: Oregon Coast
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The first to wipe out the other reguardless.
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Havoc88
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Joined: 28 May 2006
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Location: Netherlands
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| Sohan wrote: |
| NightOwl wrote: |
| ps1 wrote: |
Professor Pedro Sauer (Now a 6th degree black belt under Helio and Rickson Gracie) vs. Mr. Utah in 1992. Pedro taps him with an armbar in an NHB fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnvaBMlNpI
Of course this is not a street fight. But skill clearly triumphs over muscle. Pedro takes a couple knocks though. |
That was beautiful *sniff*
But it must be mentioned that the guy's size and streangth DID make ALOT harder for the BJJ guy. |
Plus, not many of us on this board are Pedro Sauer.
With respect,
Sohan |
All good points.
Think about this: 2nd Degree BJJ=at least 10 years exp. Could be 15. If Mr. Utah had no fight experience what so ever, this is still a testament to what being big and strong can do for you. Even though Sauer did win, look how long it took to get the job done. Most bar fights aren't going to last that long. |
But I can't find on the web how much fighting exp. Utah had. Maby Utah also had a lot of years of fighting exp.
Tom
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mmljpp
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| well i would hope the martial artist but it all depends on the circumstances what if the martial artist freezes who know but im putting my money on the artist |
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