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sonic
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 Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: Butterfly sword? |
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| can anyone tell me more abnout them please? (already looked at wikipedia) |
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Feathers of Doom
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Joined: 14 Dec 2006
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Location: NY state
Styles: Goshin Do Karate /// Currently training in Fudozen Shurinji Kempo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
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what do you want to know about them?
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AikiGuy
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Location: Ohio
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lordtariel
Black Belt
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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Location: Oregon
Styles: (Past)Judo, Yang Family Tai Chi, (Current)Shito-Ryu Karate, Kobudo(Tonfajitsu)
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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There are some interesting tidbits in there. Thanks for sharing, lordtariel.
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boyo1991
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i agree!
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¶ARADOX
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Joined: 02 Jan 2007
Posts: 52
Location: somewhere in England, I hate not living In Scotland any more
Styles: Shotokan Karate and some form of aikido/aikijutsu which incorporates strikes and weapons
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I always thought that the butterfly swords (or bulls ear sword whatever you wanna call them) were more of a Chinese variant of a Japanese weapon called a "Jitte" if you look it has the sword catching bar thing on the back, the only difference is that it's sharp, I wonder what kond of people actually used these, it looks too, sort of, proffesional if you like to be a street weapon, but it's not really big or heavy enough to be an effective military weapon, perhaps an assassins toy, oooooohh  , nice stuff, if anyone uses these I'd like to know more about the actual techniques and see if they ARE assassin-like.
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lordtariel
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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I believe they were carried by the shaolin monks as backup weapons to be used in a pinch.
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lordtariel
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| I always thought that the butterfly swords (or bulls ear sword whatever you wanna call them) were more of a Chinese variant of a Japanese weapon called a "Jitte" if you look it has the sword catching bar thing on the back, the only difference is that it's sharp, I wonder what kond of people actually used these, it looks too, sort of, proffesional if you like to be a street weapon, but it's not really big or heavy enough to be an effective military weapon, perhaps an assassins toy, oooooohh , nice stuff, if anyone uses these I'd like to know more about the actual techniques and see if they ARE assassin-like. |
http://www.trocadero.com/noamin/items/630284/en1.html
I believe Jitte were a blunt with a pointed tip for thrusting. The prong that ran up was used for catching a sword and twisting it out of somebody's hands, or in the hands of a skilled practitioner, even break them.
http://www.wle.com//products/w104c.html
Butterfly knives were are essentially heavy, single-edged knives that were for the most part chisel sharp. I believe the prong on a butterfly knife can be used the same way as the jitte. They are much heavier than a jitte so techniques would be completely different. Butterfly knives are also used for strength training.
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mantis.style
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they are slicing weapons and their origins are another of the unknowns in CMAs.
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on the post.
