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GamerGhostNinja
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 Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:52 pm Post subject: Can Jhoon Rhee Students compete in ITF tournaments |
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I took Taekwondo at a Jhoone Rhee Institute and got my 1st Dan Black Belt there. Now I want to move on to bigger and better things. I was wondering if I would have to star from white belt again in a real ITF school or if my Black Belt is legit:-? .
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wagnerk
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest, I would approach your TKD school of choice and see what they say. Depending on the organisation/club/instructor the outcome can be either way.
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DWx
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Depends what you want to do and what school you're at. From what I've seen, Jhoon Rhee's styles seems to be quite different from ITF. Some schools will let you transfer in and honour your grade (if your skills match the level they are looking for from a 1st dan). I doubt it would cause any problems if you were interested in competing locally or nationally so long as you join and become a member of the appropriate national body. But the instructor might hold you at your grade until you learn all of the ITF patterns and terminology and learn to move in the "correct" way.
Anything beyond local level and you probably would have to retest up and get an ITF certificate and certificate number.
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bushido_man96
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Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| DWx wrote: |
Depends what you want to do and what school you're at. From what I've seen, Jhoon Rhee's styles seems to be quite different from ITF. Some schools will let you transfer in and honour your grade (if your skills match the level they are looking for from a 1st dan). I doubt it would cause any problems if you were interested in competing locally or nationally so long as you join and become a member of the appropriate national body. But the instructor might hold you at your grade until you learn all of the ITF patterns and terminology and learn to move in the "correct" way.
Anything beyond local level and you probably would have to retest up and get an ITF certificate and certificate number. |
This. Do some checking with the school you want to go to, and see what it takes to get into the competition. If you are looking into ITF specific tournaments, you are going to need to do the form the way they do them, with sine wave and all that. I don't know if Jhoon Rhee does them that way or not.
I also thought that Jhoon Rhee made his own forms, and did those for his students. Or does he still do the ITF forms? I'm interested to know. Please let us know!
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GamerGhostNinja
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| While my school has new forms, our techniques are from ITF style, which is why I thought I might be able to keep my black belt. |
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guird
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| GamerGhostNinja wrote: |
| While my school has new forms, our techniques are from ITF style, which is why I thought I might be able to keep my black belt. |
In that case you will probably have to start over, but you'll advance quicly because the material will be familair. |
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DWx
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| GamerGhostNinja wrote: |
| While my school has new forms, our techniques are from ITF style, which is why I thought I might be able to keep my black belt. |
Honesty you'd probably be best starting over but I would imagine that once you've got the different nuances in movement down you'd pick it up pretty quickly. Might even be offered the opportunity to skip or double grades.
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sensei8
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| DWx wrote: |
| GamerGhostNinja wrote: |
| While my school has new forms, our techniques are from ITF style, which is why I thought I might be able to keep my black belt. |
Honesty you'd probably be best starting over but I would imagine that once you've got the different nuances in movement down you'd pick it up pretty quickly. Might even be offered the opportunity to skip or double grades. |
That will be up to the governing body...ask them!! If not, rank isn't that important, or it shouldn't be, imho...training hard is paramount!!
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sensei8
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| DWx wrote: |
Depends what you want to do and what school you're at. From what I've seen, Jhoon Rhee's styles seems to be quite different from ITF. Some schools will let you transfer in and honour your grade (if your skills match the level they are looking for from a 1st dan). I doubt it would cause any problems if you were interested in competing locally or nationally so long as you join and become a member of the appropriate national body. But the instructor might hold you at your grade until you learn all of the ITF patterns and terminology and learn to move in the "correct" way.
Anything beyond local level and you probably would have to retest up and get an ITF certificate and certificate number. |
This. Do some checking with the school you want to go to, and see what it takes to get into the competition. If you are looking into ITF specific tournaments, you are going to need to do the form the way they do them, with sine wave and all that. I don't know if Jhoon Rhee does them that way or not.
I also thought that Jhoon Rhee made his own forms, and did those for his students. Or does he still do the ITF forms? I'm interested to know. Please let us know! |
Solid post!!
Sine wave...I'm of the opinion that sine wave lacks many elements...if I had to join any MA that supports sine wave, I'd reconsider it. No ones shown me the positive of the sine wave. That's my two-cents about the sine wave!
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bushido_man96
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| GamerGhostNinja wrote: |
| While my school has new forms, our techniques are from ITF style, which is why I thought I might be able to keep my black belt. |
Did you use the sine wave motion when you were in Jhoon Rhee's school?
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