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Aces Red
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 Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Chi and Pressure Point Activation |
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Lets say someone were to grab your wrist with a cross grab. You then place your heart 7 onto theirs and defend yourself with a wrist lock, locking your opponents wrist. Why is it whenever you look at your opponents chest, take a deep slow breath, or raise one of your legs from the ground it hurts more then if you had done the opposite, that being just going for a normal wrist lock without the speical add ons?
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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I don't quite understand what you mean here. I don't think I have ever experienced anything like that.
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marie curie
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I agree, could you try that explanation again?
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Montana
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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If I'm understanding correctly, looking at the chest has nothing to do with it other than to be able to see the entrie person as much as possible, but lifting the leg (and leaning into the technique) is probably making your weight go forward into the tuitte (lock) technique...forcing your opponents hand forward a bit more, thus causing more pain. No chi involved here...just body mechanics.
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marie curie
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Re-reading, I agree with Montana. This definitely sounds like a case of body mechanics.
Also, remember that the flexibility of your shoulder and relative height can vary how the technique works between people.
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Very true, Marie. Leverage is an important aspect that comes into play with joint locking.
I agree with Montana as well. Not so much ki or chi, but very much about body mechanics.
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dete
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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if you get two people with identical body types, similar life styles & environment, have them lift weights,
if one person just lifts while the other lifts but also actively visualizes himself getting bigger, stronger, more massive, they say it makes a significant difference.
If your trying to activate a pressure point, I believe you need to visualize inorder to guide your intent (ki)
from a more western point of view we can say something like, punch through, or imagine your fist is going to destroy their skeletal structure.
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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I imagine visualization would help the fact. However, in the heat of the moment, I think it would be tougher to accomplish.
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Montana
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| I imagine visualization would help the fact. However, in the heat of the moment, I think it would be tougher to accomplish. |
Agreed...not to mention the fact that while you're standing there visualizing your technique, your opponent is trying their best to get at you. Not a good idea I think.
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dete
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if you punch a guy in the face and visualize his head getting smashed into oblivion as you do it,
it shouldn't be too difficult to do.
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on the post.
