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aefibird
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, welcome back Ken! Good to have you back on KF.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good article. I came to the same conclusions when I first started studying MA, and am glad that it was brought up in the forums.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone is interested in a thorough study of military training and Christianity; I recommend the FREE Bible studies of the Greek/Hebrew Bible Scholar Dr. Robert Thieme... retired US Army Colonel.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back to the forums!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krzychicano wrote:
Welcome back to the forums!


Thanks krzychicano its nice to be back, now I have more time, how you been?
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ramonnavarro123
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all and be blessed

A blessing is in acordance to your actitud and as the saying goes what you spread you will reap so what you act on is how you will spread, like a seed and that is what you will reseive. Also as a seed that you plant and as time goes by it forms into a tree and it will breed to give fruit so also according to your oun action you will reseive but for a blessing to be mostly it will be reseived at a momment that you least expect it.

I beleive that one must be abnle to built a well for water in the case that you built a home and this way you will at some moment be thursty and you can not biult the well when you are already thursty so built the well first. Same for the martial arts and the martial artist even if you are a christian you must and aught to be fit to continue your dayly life and to do so you need to be healthy. a martial art that do not go against your chritian beleife is ok to do !

A martial art does not force you to be a bad person and it will help you to develop a strog body also it will permit you to have a fit mind and it will balance your judgement as the spiritual development so I see nothing wrong by doing it as an activity were you can also be prepared to defend your life spetially if we as humans have a duty with God wich is to make sure that our human rase do not get extinct.

If you act as the christian that we are by not whishing wrong to others and have a good workouts and advance in knowing yourself by the training and its results with the thought in mind that you do not train to be able to kill people just because you know martial arts you are no deviating from the christian path.

About meditation, one that learns to maditate is not by doing it praying it is to clear the mind of its thoughts and plasing them in order and making the mind clear so one can achieve a good act in our actions. It also relaces the body and gives us a restfull mind wich gives us the chance to be a being in peace with our self, others and our surrounding so I see nothing wrong to have a clear and tranquil mind (just in case that my speling is not to good you must scuse me for I am not American but English is a second language to me, I just hope that my idea can get through).

The bowing is just like a hand shake. When we in my dojang/dojo/MA school bow to go into the training area is like we give thanks to god for in the nature of things there is the art that we learn bacause there was a person that past it doun to us and is like saying thanks that bacause of you and what you hadded down to us we can train our body, mind and our spirit becoming a well rounded person. bowing to our partner at the begining and end of what ever we do with him is the same, like a thanks for him helping and eccept our help to do this activity.

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KarateChick06
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good article. I don't have a problem with bowing in class, because I see it more of as a salute. Christians don't object to saluting the American flag, taking of their hats, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great article one of the best ive read in a long time. im buddhist but i think its great that you guys take an intrest in faith and the MA always put faith first it will help you more in a fight than your MA will.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome article!! Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome.
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