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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 14628
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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| The university programs in Korea aren't THAT excelerated. (Meaning going from no experience to 4th Dan in 4 years.) If I remember correctly, one has to be at least a 1st Dan when starting a program in TKD at a Korean university that offers a TKD major. |
Good point.
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| This Concordia program seems odd to me. I doubt many folks would want to major in TKD without ANY TKD experience. I also doubt few folks who trained in a different art would switch to TKD just to get a degree in TKD. I don't think this program (as it is now) would last very long. |
I see what you are saying here. It is a very specialized niche, and would be very hard to keep interest in, I think.
Here is some clarification on the credit hour system:
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IN a typical ESS lab class the students spend double the amount of time in class for the requisite academic credit. So, for every 2 hours in class the student gets 1 hour of credit. In other university programs it is a one to one exchange. For example, if a student were to take Introduction to Mathematics for 3 hours credit the student he/she would be in class for 3 hours.
Thus, in the TKD classes for ever 2 hours in class the student gets 1 hour of credit. Each practical class is 2 hours (units) of credit, and thus the student will be in class for 4 hours during each week. Those classes will meet on Tuesday and Thursday. However, each student will also be required to do additional training on forms, judging, sparring, etc… on their own and on their own at the dojan. Also, more advanced students will also begin to teach less experienced students as well as the program grows. Thus, the time allocated for credit given increases even more, but that is the way of TKD from what I am lead to understand. |
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IcemanSK
Purple Belt
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 523
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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According to the Kukkiwon website bellow, one has to have obtained a 3rd Dan by senior year in a Korean university P.E. program before one is elligible to test for 4th Dan. (See article 17.2)
One would think a US university would follow suit.
http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/english/examination/examination08.jsp?div=01
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isshinryu5toforever
Black Belt
Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 1685
Location: New York University, usually Wisconsin
Styles: Isshin-Ryu Karate, Judo, Aikido, WTF Tae Kwon Do (college team)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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The 4th Dan testing in Korea, through a university, is a little different though. They have to pass a written exam as well as pass the actual physical test. Once you are a 4th Dan in Korea, you are authorized to open a school and teach, but not before. To teach, you have to have done your testing through the Kukkiwon I believe. In the US, your 4th Dan test could mean just adding one more form and doing some extra breaking compared to the 3rd Dan test. And people with 3rd Dan, sometimes lower rank, open schools in the US. They're just two very different systems.
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IcemanSK
Purple Belt
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 523
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| isshinryu5toforever wrote: |
| The 4th Dan testing in Korea, through a university, is a little different though. They have to pass a written exam as well as pass the actual physical test. Once you are a 4th Dan in Korea, you are authorized to open a school and teach, but not before. To teach, you have to have done your testing through the Kukkiwon I believe. In the US, your 4th Dan test could mean just adding one more form and doing some extra breaking compared to the 3rd Dan test. And people with 3rd Dan, sometimes lower rank, open schools in the US. They're just two very different systems. |
Yes, they are 2 different systems. However, this American university program claims to offer a KKW 4th Dan after 4 years (with no previous training.) There is lies the problem (as I see it).
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YoungMan
Blue Belt
Joined: 14 May 2007
Posts: 258
Location: Somewhere in Michigan
Styles: Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan, some Aikido
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| That would explain some of the instructors I 've seen over the years-getting 4th Dan after four years with no prior experience. Now it makes sense. |
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on the post.
