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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Creating the perfect style Reply with quote

As I roam through many MA forums on the net, style vs style debates always seem to exist. I would like the members of this forum, to contribute or describe what the so-called 'perfect' style of MA would incorporate. Surely if we add all the strengths of all existing MA's we could come up with something...i don't know...'perfect'.

Long story short, what would the perfect style of MA incorporate, in your mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not believe that there can be a perfect style. One person's perfect would be seen as a flaw (light or large) by another. People, especially recently, have been creating their own styles and bringing together what key know and feel is best from other systems and still it is not seen as perfect. It may be perfect for them, individually, but not as a all round style for the masses. I say this knowing my own knowledge limitations in Martial Arts.

That said, whatever would be developed, so that it can reach a high point near perfection, would need to incorporate a little bit of everything from the various Martial Arts such as Aikido, Judo, Weapons, other grapling styles as well and development of techiques that is both traditional but lends a major eye to working in real life applications. A monumental task indeed. It will be interesting to see what others come up with specifically. Specifically speaking I am not in a position to answer that. Good luck in your search
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As humans, the pursuit of the "perfect" anything is pretty much futile, as we cannot be perfect ourselves.

The ideas and times change so much, that it causes our wants and needs to change with them. This alone can be seen in the evolution of the MMA fights that are all the rage. However, MMA is not new, and therefore, cannot be seen as such.

If a style were to be "perfect," though, I think it would be able to eliminate the need for personal combat altogether. However, I doubt that this is truly possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

being good at takedowns and defense. Good striking skills (kicks to slow them down) from the feet. knowing how to get the mount or control from top and elbow them to death. knowing sweeps from bottom and some subs.
Basically everything. well rounded
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously I could argue that nothing is ever perfect because the people who perform it are flawed. But to save time on a philosophical debate here goes...

The "perfect system" of martial art is going to change, inherently, from person to person. There would not be any standard, all correct, way of performing any one technique due to the differences in body types and personalities and so on. Additionally, the level of self defense and techniques contained within would change from person to person. This is because each person studies for a different reason. Well...in retrospect I've just done what I didn't want to do. I made it about philosophy. I guess it's kinda like asking, "how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know."
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Striving for perfection of character is better than perfection itself, I think.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohtsuka Sensei already accomplished this task. Just kidding.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that the perfect MA would differ from person to person, but the perfect martial art for me would need about 3/5 speed and 2/5 power, I say this because its always better to use the opponets wight aginst them, thats why my friend and I decided to make our own martial arts, its a combination of kickboxing and tang soo do we will call it cha ki do "cha ki" meaning kick "do" meaning way of life.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No single style by itself is going to be perfect. Technically speaking, thats the whole idea of mixed martial arts (mixing different styles so as to be well versed in all aspects of unarmed combat). Even that being the case, you're almost certainly not going to get the same quality of say boxing or grappling training at a MMA gym that you would at a gym that specialises in boxing or in grappling, the few exceptions being the top tier MMA camps (i.e. Militech camp for example).

Its best to go to the guys who are the best in their fields, learn what they have to teach and after thats done work on trying to incorporate it into your entire game.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what we are trying to do is create a fighting style not bound by a rules set. Many times, we think of different styles as good at one thing or two, and paleing in others. Boxers are great with their hands. TKDists are great with their feet.

Now, you take someone who has trained in both boxing and TKD, splitting his time. Now, you make him compete in two competitions: once in boxing, and once in TKD. How will he do? Against a purley specialized TKD fighter, under his rules, he may not win. The same could apply against a boxer.

However, if we lose the rule sets, including the MMA rule set, and we take the Boxer, the TKDist, and an MMA trained fighter, and each fights the other once, on the street, then what do we have happen? I am not trying to bash the other styles, but the MMA fighter may be the best prepared to survive the street encounters.

Now, I am not arguing for MMA as the creation and arrival of the perfect style. However, being well rounded is a great advantage.
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