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Treebranch
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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject: Different Blocks. |
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Just wondering what styles of MA don't move off line to block strikes, I often found this to be odd. Can someone please explain.
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JerryLove
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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You mean arts which move the incoming strike offline rather than themselves? or ones which simply endevour to stop a strike in it's path.
I can see reasosn to do both of the above. One classic response to a haymaker is to stop-hit the arm; then, of course, are the deflections intended for when moving off-line is unavailable (most bone-shields), or boxing, which will often not worry about moving off-line or redirecting because of a focus on lining up its own attack.
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Treebranch
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You mean arts which move the incoming strike offline rather than themselves? or ones which simply endevour to stop a strike in it's path. |
I guess I'm wondering why certain blocks only use the arm to block a strike. Moving offline, or getting out of the way seems more logical to me. You can also duck a haymaker, or if you can't for some reason I guess bone shields are necessary in that situation. Also moving offline to the outside or to the inside gives you a great advantage as long as you are realigning at the same time. So basically your in a more advantageous position, since you will be attacking peripherally.
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JerryLove
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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You duck a haymaker and you risk both the other hand and the knee. Works better in boxing than fighting. But more to the point, perhaps you didn't see it in time; or you may (as mentioned before) be more interested in being setup for your attack than worried about the one you are absorbing.
Other examples include spearing strikes (guiding their hand into your elbow for example), bloks/strikes intended for specific effect on the body or to open a grapple that you want to be on-line for, dealing with attacks in situations where you are reasonably immobile (regarding you not moving off-line, generally you still move theirs offline), attacks where your offline positions are "bad" (want to get out of the way of the guy who really just wants to steam-roller past to get your kid?), etc, etc.
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You make some really good points about not wanting to move offline it in certain instances, I agree totally. If you duck the haymaker to the outside of that arm and are close to him, you are at a position where the knee and the other strike can't be executed. You are basically in his blind spot to his side not in front of him and if you keep moving in that general direction you will be behind him. We have blocks where you don't move offline we move up and down, so basically your throwing your arms up as you drop down, making the person miss your head and striking the arm and thus redirecting it. I just want be clear, I don't know if I was clear. When I say moving off line, I mean moving off their line of attack, and creating a new one for you at the same time at a 45 degree angle to their lline.
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