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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16386
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes!! I'd take the lose. Why? There's more to gain than to lose by tapping out as Pantangco did; for both fighters. Imho, he demonstrated bushido to the nth degree. Win or lose; they're not as important as ones MA betterment, imho!!
I bow to him for his actions!! Instead of hurting Rasner, he choose to tap out; awesome sportsmanship!!
Thanks for sharing it, Brian!
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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You are welcome, Bob. Glad you enjoyed it.
Now, here is the flip side of the coin. Shouldn't the other fighter realize he is outclassed, and concede the loss to the superior fighter? Why should the onus be put on the more talented, more capable fighter? _________________ www.haysgym.com
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sensei8
KF Sensei
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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bushido_man96 wrote: |
You are welcome, Bob. Glad you enjoyed it.
Now, here is the flip side of the coin. Shouldn't the other fighter realize he is outclassed, and concede the loss to the superior fighter? Why should the onus be put on the more talented, more capable fighter? |
I can't answer that! He should've, but he didn't for his own reasons.
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Archimoto
Purple Belt
Joined: 12 Apr 2014
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Styles: JKD / Muay Thai / TKD
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wow!!!
I'm impressed!
He had three choices, pound an inferior fighter, sit back and coast, or bow out respectfully.
It's indeed a display of bushido to the nth degree !
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sensei8
KF Sensei
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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sensei8 wrote: |
bushido_man96 wrote: |
You are welcome, Bob. Glad you enjoyed it.
Now, here is the flip side of the coin. Shouldn't the other fighter realize he is outclassed, and concede the loss to the superior fighter? Why should the onus be put on the more talented, more capable fighter? |
I can't answer that! He should've, but he didn't for his own reasons.
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I can only suppose that quitting for him isn't in his make-up to do so because no matter what the outcome might've been, he was going to continue until the fight ended on way or another. And to quit, to bow out, would've been worse for HIM than for him losing the fight at the hands of the superior fighter.
Again, I'm only guessing!!
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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sensei8 wrote: |
sensei8 wrote: |
bushido_man96 wrote: |
You are welcome, Bob. Glad you enjoyed it.
Now, here is the flip side of the coin. Shouldn't the other fighter realize he is outclassed, and concede the loss to the superior fighter? Why should the onus be put on the more talented, more capable fighter? |
I can't answer that! He should've, but he didn't for his own reasons.
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I can only suppose that quitting for him isn't in his make-up to do so because no matter what the outcome might've been, he was going to continue until the fight ended on way or another. And to quit, to bow out, would've been worse for HIM than for him losing the fight at the hands of the superior fighter.
Again, I'm only guessing!!
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I suppose that could be. It could be as simple as pride, too. Either way, the fighter's actions were commendable, but not necessary, in my opinion.
Archimoto wrote: |
Wow!!!
I'm impressed!
He had three choices, pound an inferior fighter, sit back and coast, or bow out respectfully.
It's indeed a display of bushido to the nth degree ! |
Is it truly Bushido? I don't know that it is. I think it was a compassionate gesture, to be sure, but not much to do with Bushido, in my opinion. _________________ www.haysgym.com
http://www.sunyis.com/
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DWx
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: UK
Styles: Tae Kwon Do & Yang family Tai Chi
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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bushido_man96 wrote: |
You are welcome, Bob. Glad you enjoyed it.
Now, here is the flip side of the coin. Shouldn't the other fighter realize he is outclassed, and concede the loss to the superior fighter? Why should the onus be put on the more talented, more capable fighter? |
Should the ref not have stopped the fight if one fighter was majorly outclassed?
TBH I wouldn't necessarily agree it's bushido either. Maybe I'm just a little cynical but I'd rather have seen him sit back and coast. A little humiliating to the other fighter maybe? Is there anything with Rasner's reaction to the "win"? They were barely halfway through the first round, he denied Rasner the opportunity to try to come back in the second round and have a fight. It's an amateur bout so he was only there to have a fight and get some experience. _________________ "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't if its the ref's job to stop the fight at that point. The guy could actively defend himself, even though he was doing a poor job of it. It wasn't a safety issue in the sense that he couldn't mount a proper defense. I'm not sure what kind of leeway the ref would have in that instance.
I agree with sitting back and coasting, though. The fight could have been an experience for both of them. The superior fighter could have worked on some different skills, and the inferior fighter would have gained some valuable ring experience. _________________ www.haysgym.com
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cheesefrysamurai
Purple Belt
Joined: 06 Mar 2013
Posts: 502
Location: New Jersey
Styles: Okinawan Goju Ryu
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:36 am Post subject: |
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bushido_man96 wrote: |
I don't if its the ref's job to stop the fight at that point. The guy could actively defend himself, even though he was doing a poor job of it. It wasn't a safety issue in the sense that he couldn't mount a proper defense. I'm not sure what kind of leeway the ref would have in that instance.
I agree with sitting back and coasting, though. The fight could have been an experience for both of them. The superior fighter could have worked on some different skills, and the inferior fighter would have gained some valuable ring experience. |
I agree - not the refs job to determine who trained harder. One wins and one looses all bouts - sometimes is less clear cut then other times.
That guy is a good sport - he proved what he wanted to, and he was done. wow
I think he should be praised to not literally beating the guys head into the floor for the sake of doing it. Like Sensei8 said, bushido to the max, a martial artist in the truest sense _________________ Nothing Worth Having Is Easily Obtained - ESPECIALLY RANK |
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