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Rainbow_Warrior
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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Grappling Blows my mind |
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Well ... Is normal to see people and think the way to take them down , or do some choke/lock ?
I don´t walk in the street attaking people  but.... I think a lot about techniques , and when I have free time , I try to visualize moves and try be creative.
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BMW
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Grappling Blows my mind |
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| Rainbow_Warrior wrote: |
Well ... Is normal to see people and think the way to take them down , or do some choke/lock ?
I don´t walk in the streat attaking people but.... I think a lot about techniques , and when I have free time , I try to visualize moves and try be creative. |
Sounds good to me.
Grappling is an awesome art. If on a scale from 0 to 20 complexity equaled 20, I would have to say western boxing is about a 4 or 5 and Brazilian Jujitsu and some other grappling arts are a 20. |
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bushido_man96
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There is really nothing wrong with doing this at all. It is good to visualize practicing these things on different people. You can also use to visualize a situation. You imagine that they attack you a certain way, and you do some defense in your mind. You can change up the scenario every time too, even add in weapons, etc. I have read books by MA authors that have done this as well.
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Grappling Blows my mind |
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| BMW wrote: |
| Grappling is an awesome art. If on a scale from 0 to 20 complexity equaled 20, I would have to say western boxing is about a 4 or 5 and Brazilian Jujitsu and some other grappling arts are a 20. |
I don't know if I would agree with this assessment. I think that many people see Boxing this way, because many perceive it as two guys that are just slugging at each other. However, there is a lot more strategy involved than just that. I think that the misconception comes from the restricted rules and techniques involved in Boxing.
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PSBN Doug
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I don't see anything wrong with that. I've done it on occation as well, but didn't limit it to just grappling. It's more a part of knowing the environment you're in at the moment, and being prepared for anything. (even a ninja granny at golden coral  )
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BMW
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Grappling Blows my mind |
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| BMW wrote: |
| Grappling is an awesome art. If on a scale from 0 to 20 complexity equaled 20, I would have to say western boxing is about a 4 or 5 and Brazilian Jujitsu and some other grappling arts are a 20. |
I don't know if I would agree with this assessment. I think that many people see Boxing this way, because many perceive it as two guys that are just slugging at each other. However, there is a lot more strategy involved than just that. I think that the misconception comes from the restricted rules and techniques involved in Boxing. |
Which essentially means: two guys that are just slugging at each other.
No, on a serious note, You really think so? Perhaps you are correct. I have novice experience in boxing so I certainly don't know everything. Although, I've got enough experience in it to figure out there are no where near as many moves in boxing as there are in grappling arts like BJJ. And BJJ requires such subtle nuances, it really is a chess game in a real sense, kind of like "playing" capoeria.
Boxing - I love it - I have learned more about myself and life from my short time in boxing than I have from all my years of religious indoctrination. But, for all the skill and refinement required in stellar boxing, it essentially is a very blunt sport, that has a lot less techniques than Karate or BJJ. Boxing is the furthest thing from brain surgery in my opinion even though it carries the vaunted handle of "the sweet science."
Pro fighters (unknown ones in the "poor mans sport") missing their teeth and punch drunk with slurred speech... I don't know [shrug] seems pretty basic to me. |
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bushido_man96
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At the lower levels, where there perhaps isn't as much skill involved, it can lead to that perception. But, that can be said about being inexperienced in any form of sport or activity. Watch white belts spar, for example.
You are correct that there aren't as many moves in Boxing as there are in other Combat Sports. There are still things like ring strategy, movement, set ups, etc. Look at Muhammed Ali's rope-a-dope against George Foreman, for example. There are things like in-fighting, out-fighting, bobbing and weaving, slipping and ducking that all get worked into the mix as well. There is quite a bit to it; its just unique from other styles.
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BMW
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
At the lower levels, where there perhaps isn't as much skill involved, it can lead to that perception. But, that can be said about being inexperienced in any form of sport or activity. Watch white belts spar, for example.
You are correct that there aren't as many moves in Boxing as there are in other Combat Sports. There are still things like ring strategy, movement, set ups, etc. Look at Muhammed Ali's rope-a-dope against George Foreman, for example. There are things like in-fighting, out-fighting, bobbing and weaving, slipping and ducking that all get worked into the mix as well. There is quite a bit to it; its just unique from other styles. |
 And today Muhammed Ali is in a wheel chair and can barely speak. Allowing someone to tire by beating their fist against your head - well... I have to question how "strategically smart" that is. Perhaps I'm just a little more timid. 
No disrespect to the champ. |
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bushido_man96
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You are right, but to say that Ali's current condition is a result of his fighting career or not is hard to say. I have not heard if it is. There are many other great champions out there that do not suffer from the same condition that Ali does.
Besides, the rope-a-dope wasn't a "get beat up for 11 rounds and then go on the offensive" strategy. It was a defensive and mobility strategy. Two very different things.
I would be willing to bet that George Foreman took more hard shots to the noggin in his career than Ali did, and he is fairly healthy yet.
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Rainbow_Warrior
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I think that boxing is cool...but grapling is unlimited...you can create new moves always... using all your body parts to submit the enemy.....
I dont say boxing is useless.....I box and boxed for years.....
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