|
|
| Author |
Message |
ovine king
Brown Belt
Joined: 23 Jan 2005
Posts: 725
Styles: noodle fu
|
 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| P.A.L wrote: |
Shorinji Sanchin Five Ancestral Fist
So Hakutsuru Fukein White Crane
Tan Hakutsuru Fukein White Crane
Ni Ju Ken [color=blue]Five Ancestral [/color]Fist
Shu Hakutsuru Ancestral Crane
Rokishu Fuken White Crane
Ryushoken Hohan Soken
Matsumura Hakutsuru Sho Matsumura Family
Matsumura Hakutsuru Chu Matsumura Family
Shorinji Chinto Five Ancestral Fist
Matsumura Hakutsuru Dai Matsumura Family
Mei Hakutsuru Shouting White Crane
Hitsuru ken
shutsuru Ken
Paihok
tsuru sanchin |
this intirgues me, in particular the phrases that i've high-lighted.
could you tell me more about these forms and their origins? In particular, what do you know about the "shouting crane" and do you know anything that might be translated into "sleeping crane" and "feeding crane" and a few other similarly phrased terms?
_________________
earth is the asylum of the universe where the inmates have taken over.
don't ask stupid questions and you won't get stupid answers. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
P.A.L
Black Belt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 1263
Location: Texas
Styles: Shorin-ryu
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ovine king wrote: |
| P.A.L wrote: |
Shorinji Sanchin Five Ancestral Fist
So Hakutsuru Fukein White Crane
Tan Hakutsuru Fukein White Crane
Ni Ju Ken [color=blue]Five Ancestral [/color]Fist
Shu Hakutsuru Ancestral Crane
Rokishu Fuken White Crane
Ryushoken Hohan Soken
Matsumura Hakutsuru Sho Matsumura Family
Matsumura Hakutsuru Chu Matsumura Family
Shorinji Chinto Five Ancestral Fist
Matsumura Hakutsuru Dai Matsumura Family
Mei Hakutsuru Shouting White Crane
Hitsuru ken
shutsuru Ken
Paihok
tsuru sanchin |
this intirgues me, in particular the phrases that i've high-lighted.
could you tell me more about these forms and their origins? In particular, what do you know about the "shouting crane" and do you know anything that might be translated into "sleeping crane" and "feeding crane" and a few other similarly phrased terms? |
i am not an expert but this is what i know
Five Ancestoral fist is a diviation of old aimal styles of kongfu created by 5 masters of southern shaolin temple, one of the animals was crane
Fang qiniang created her crane style based on his father style of 18 monks kongfu and her interpretation of crane movment this is yungchun Hi quan
another off shhot is ancestral crane also known as sleeping crane
another is shouting crane or whooping crane with katas like Hopporen and Nepai
i refer you to "karate Bubishi" translated by patrick Mccarthy, he is intrested in crane styles so he added some extra material about different crane style,
other refrence is Mr. Lindsey (Bastrop Texas) the katas i mentioned are the ones i learned through Mr Lindsey lineage, thats why you see a mixture of different crane styles,
if you pass Houston Let me know, we can go over one kata together, |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Goju_boi
Black Belt
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 2129
Location: Houston , Texas
Styles: Goju ryu , Kobudo , and just started Capoeira
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Zaine wrote: |
| Well, its a kata, its no big deal. All i can say is that if Bushi made it that just one more thing he made. Its not like he wanted to keep it secret or something. But the big deal about it is that supposedly only Fusei Kise knows this kata. |
what or who is this fuse kisei?
_________________
www.samuraimartialsports.com for your source of Karate,Kobudo,Aikido,And Kung-Fu |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
johnnymac
Orange Belt
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Posts: 105
Styles: Shorin Ryu / White Crane Kung Fu / Saishu Ryu / Brazilian Jujitsu
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Goju_boi wrote: |
what or who is this fuse kisei? |
Kisei Fuse is the 10th Dan in charge of Seito Shorin Ryu Karate. He is pretty well known and well respected in the MA community.
_________________
John McNichols
-----------------
www.katamasters.com
www.saishuryu.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ovine king
Brown Belt
Joined: 23 Jan 2005
Posts: 725
Styles: noodle fu
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
i might have misread your original post.
do you practice all of these forms or do you just know of their existance?
i ask because i am quite surprised that many of them, in particular the ones i high-lighted are clearly chinese (named) forms.
i was just wondering what differences there were between the original chinese version and the ones that now exist in the japanese/okinawan schools.
the one that really surprised me is seeing Shouting crane" as it is similar to the the names of forms within one white crane school that i know but it isn't actually one of the forms (if that makes any sense).
_________________
earth is the asylum of the universe where the inmates have taken over.
don't ask stupid questions and you won't get stupid answers. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
P.A.L
Black Belt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 1263
Location: Texas
Styles: Shorin-ryu
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
these are mix chinese and okinawan, but even the original chinese may be slightly different from what we practice , for example Ni Ju Ken doesn't have kicks in original form but we do one toe kick in each step,
all the kata with Hakutsuru name as part of them are from matsumura family
Rokishu, i don't practice, probebly chinese
Chorinji chinto is okinawan i don't practice
Hakutsuru Mei is okinawan I practice this(short version of Hakutsuru kata)
paihok is chinese we practice (has simultaniuse strike to eyes and groin)
Hi tsuru ken is okinawan we practice (this is a complicated and long kata)
Sho tsuru ken is okinawan we practice ( teach us to hit using body momentum)
Tsuru sanchin is okinawan we practice (teach us to estend the penetration by turning from natural stance to sanchin dachi)
Shorinhji sanchin is probebly chinese we practice (uses yang hand for blocking) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
johnnymac
Orange Belt
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Posts: 105
Styles: Shorin Ryu / White Crane Kung Fu / Saishu Ryu / Brazilian Jujitsu
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
We practice quite a few Crane kata in Saishu Ryu.
Happoren
Wanduan
Fukien Hakutsuru Sho
Hakkuto
Pachu
Hakutsuru
Hakku Cho
Nipaipo
Hakutsuru Sho (From Shorin Ryu)
Hakutsuru Dai (From Shorin Ryu)
Hope this helps.
_________________
John McNichols
-----------------
www.katamasters.com
www.saishuryu.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
P.A.L
Black Belt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 1263
Location: Texas
Styles: Shorin-ryu
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| johnnymac wrote: |
We practice quite a few Crane kata in Saishu Ryu.
Happoren
Wanduan
Fukien Hakutsuru Sho
Hakkuto
Pachu
Hakutsuru
Hakku Cho
Nipaipo
Hakutsuru Sho (From Shorin Ryu)
Hakutsuru Dai (From Shorin Ryu)
Hope this helps. |
could you check 0n pachu kata, i think its a dragon kata.
do you have a video clip of hakucho kata? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
johnnymac
Orange Belt
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Posts: 105
Styles: Shorin Ryu / White Crane Kung Fu / Saishu Ryu / Brazilian Jujitsu
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| P.A.L wrote: |
could you check 0n pachu kata, i think its a dragon kata.
do you have a video clip of hakucho kata? |
Pachu is from Ryuei Ryu, so it is a dragon system kata, however it is based on a crane kata. It's very quick and powerful. I love this kata.
And I do have a clip of our chief instructor, Doshu Mertz, performing Haku Cho. He actually made DVD's of all the katas and gave them to the Yudansha before he left for Iraq.
_________________
John McNichols
-----------------
www.katamasters.com
www.saishuryu.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Goju_boi
Black Belt
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 2129
Location: Houston , Texas
Styles: Goju ryu , Kobudo , and just started Capoeira
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| johnnymac wrote: |
| Goju_boi wrote: |
what or who is this fuse kisei? |
Kisei Fuse is the 10th Dan in charge of Seito Shorin Ryu Karate. He is pretty well known and well respected in the MA community. |
thanx for the info. I guess i should of known that huh?
_________________
www.samuraimartialsports.com for your source of Karate,Kobudo,Aikido,And Kung-Fu |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
on the post.
