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benkendrick
Yellow Belt
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
Posts: 64
Location: Northern Alabama
Styles: Okuno-Ryu Karate, MDK Tang Soo Do, Sohng Ahm TKD, Nippon Shorinji Kempo, Seibukan Shorin Ryu
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| White Warlock wrote: |
The article is ignorant journalistic B.S.
Unfortunate, but still very common. It is the responsibility of a journalist to either 'quote' someone else's statements, or to verify anything being presented to them as fact. However, many journalists are lazy and simply don't do their homework.
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The article I refered to came from a book I read many years ago. It was written by John Corcoran(sp?) & Emil Farkas. I believe the title was something like "The Complete Martial Arts Catalog". It was a Q.A. type book answering FAQ's on various facets of the MA and MA personalities.
Although I don't disagree with you. I was merely relaying what I had read. 
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SBN Doug
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Joined: 04 Nov 2001
Posts: 3767
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Kuk Sool Won
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a similar thread:
http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=7659
A couple good links to legal debunking sites too.
I'm moving this to the same forum.
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TheDevilAside
Red Belt
Joined: 02 Jun 2003
Posts: 832
Location: Colorado, USA
Styles: American Kenpo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, good, I wasn't really sure if that was correct.
Back to the original question, yes, I would consider your hands a lethal weapon. We train to use them as a weapon to (if necessary) kill. But I wouldn't hold them in the same light as a gun or knife 
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MMoudry
Yellow Belt
Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Posts: 29
Location: Lausanne, Switzerland
Styles: Shotokan Karate, Aikido
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Back to the original question, yes, I would consider your hands a lethal weapon. We train to use them as a weapon to (if necessary) kill. But I wouldn't hold them in the same light as a gun or knife |
Basically as for the damage they can cause, they can be qualified inferior to kitchen knife with less reach than baseball bat. So basically they are NOT a deadly weapon by standard arms classification. If woul be like classyfiing a di*do a deadly weapon e.g. If I poke/hit you with it hard enough to a specific place you will die (back of the head for example  ).
This whole idea sounds SOO hollywood and so out of reality. I mean in real martial arts you learn how to fight in unarmed combat. The training doesn't make your arms more or less deadly. I mean if an untrained guy will poke his index finger into someones eye deep enough he will kill him as well. Or if someone stomps on one's head hard enough.....
I just SEE those new martial arts guys sitting by their comp, looking at their fists and thinking.... this is a deadly weapon in unarmed combat....
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returning_wave
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Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 91
Location: UK
Styles: Shotokan variant, Taijutsu
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:36 am Post subject: |
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you can strangle someone with the sleeve of your sweater. do you register that?
above any other considerations registerign your hands as a deadly weapon in the UK would make you a prisoner in our own home. No weapon may be carried in public in britain
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Drunken Monkey
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Joined: 10 Apr 2002
Posts: 3559
Location: bar italia
Styles: white chocolate profiteroles and natas....
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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actually that's not strictly true...
the police have no problems with me carrying my 'toys' about, just so long as they are in a proper carrying case and not obviously in view.
what they don't like, are guns, which are pretty much illegal with a few exceptional circumstances, and knives (or any such bladed weapon).
some of you might remember my little encounter with some 'pesky kids' whilst i had my 'three' on my back....
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delta1
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
Posts: 1780
Location: North Central Washington
Styles: It's ALL Kenpo! Bring it back to base!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hands considered deadly weapon? |
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| ...has there ever been situations where a persons hands are considered deadly weapons? |
In the US, registering your hands is a myth.
In a court of law, they will consider your skill level, your potential to do harm, and the threat you were responding to when you used force. Hands, shoes, your butt- anything can be considered a deadly weapon if it had the potential to kill and was forcefully used. Question is, was it intentional and was it justified.
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battousai16
Black Belt
Joined: 24 May 2003
Posts: 2069
Location: Wisconsin
Styles: Hwa Rang Do, Omulu Capoeira
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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"some of you might remember my little encounter with some 'pesky kids' whilst i had my 'three' on my back...."
heh heh, a good story, i must say...
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White Warlock
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Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Styles: See my Intro
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Although I don't disagree with you. I was merely relaying what I had read. |
I understood that and my outburst was not directed at you, but at the mass of lazy 'so-called' journalists out there. They give a bad name to the good journalists and provide an easy-in for special interests to toss out messages that are fallacious or outright damaging to the general public.
Anyway, off topic.
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Zorba
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Joined: 07 Jun 2004
Posts: 158
Location: Australia
Styles: Tae Kwon Do, Shotokan Karate
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Basically, if jo blo was to injure/kill someone in a brawl, under the self defence law, they would have more leniency than if a martial artist inflicted the same injury/death in the same situation.
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on the post.
