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Luckykboxer
Brown Belt
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Posts: 638
Styles: Kenpo Karate, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Boxing
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Basically, if jo blo was to injure/kill someone in a brawl, under the self defence law, they would have more leniency than if a martial artist inflicted the same injury/death in the same situation. |
well yes and no.
a trained martial artist will avoid more situations and will be able to keep himself out of trouble more then jo blo will.
also will be able to handle small situations better then Jo Blo will.
when it gets serious will have a better chance of coming out better then jo blo.
self defense is self defense no matter how you cut it.
the problem is when a trained martial artist has a situation under control then takes advantage of it to inflict harm when he could have safely walked away.
i dont consider that self defense, i consider that assault.
Now myself I feel that some people deserve it, but that still is against the law.
if soemone chooses to break the law, they have to be ready to face the consequences |
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47MartialMan
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Posts: 2822
Styles: Small Variety....."Spice of Life"
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Oni
Yellow Belt
Joined: 28 Aug 2004
Posts: 25
Location: United Kingdom
Styles: Wing Chun
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't see why you have to register but you shoudl declare you know certain MA's because you know how too injure somebody very badly you have been trained to do that.
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47MartialMan
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Aug 2004
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Styles: Small Variety....."Spice of Life"
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah my hands are deadly, so are my wife's, and my nieces, nephews, etc... |
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gcav
Blue Belt
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Posts: 284
Location: U.S.A.
Styles: Several different Japanese and Korean styles
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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OK, heres my two cents worth. I have been in law enforcement for a very long time, longer than some of the KF members have been alive. I do not claim to know every thing, but I have noticed several threads in different areas of the KF dealing with this subject and other LE stuff. So, based on many years of LE experience, and going to court 1000s of times, here we go:
NO, you do not have to register your hands as deadly weapons.
NO, you do not have to announce that you know MAs (for several reasons it is better that you don't).
NO, you will not be given a harder sentence for knowing MAs.
NO, police officers can not shoot an unarmed man 21 feet away for just standing in a "MAs stance". (from a different thread)
NO, there are no laws restricting what techniques an instructor can teach his/her students.
YES, as some have said, you must use the least amount of force necessary to defend yourself. Anything over that, by a MA or non-MA, moves your actions into the criminal area.
Now, the laws in each state are different for what is a concealed weapon, deadly weapon, illegal weapon, and how you can carry your MAs weapons to and from your class, so I can not comment on that.
This post is not meant in a mean spirited or "I'm right your wrong" way, so please do not take it the wrong way. I'm only passing on my little bit of knowledge.  |
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delta1
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
Posts: 1780
Location: North Central Washington
Styles: It's ALL Kenpo! Bring it back to base!
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| gcav wrote: |
| not meant in a mean spirited or "I'm right your wrong" way, |
But, you are right,and several other posters are wrong. 
Good info. Thanks!
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47MartialMan
Black Belt
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| gcav wrote: |
OK, heres my two cents worth. I have been in law enforcement for a very long time, longer than some of the KF members have been alive. I do not claim to know every thing, but I have noticed several threads in different areas of the KF dealing with this subject and other LE stuff. So, based on many years of LE experience, and going to court 1000s of times, here we go:
NO, you do not have to register your hands as deadly weapons.
NO, you do not have to announce that you know MAs (for several reasons it is better that you don't).
NO, you will not be given a harder sentence for knowing MAs.
NO, police officers can not shoot an unarmed man 21 feet away for just standing in a "MAs stance". (from a different thread)
NO, there are no laws restricting what techniques an instructor can teach his/her students.
YES, as some have said, you must use the least amount of force necessary to defend yourself. Anything over that, by a MA or non-MA, moves your actions into the criminal area.
Now, the laws in each state are different for what is a concealed weapon, deadly weapon, illegal weapon, and how you can carry your MAs weapons to and from your class, so I can not comment on that.
This post is not meant in a mean spirited or "I'm right your wrong" way, so please do not take it the wrong way. I'm only passing on my little bit of knowledge. |
Officer gcav,
How long have you been a LEO?
(oops, did mean to sound like a astrological sign..heh heh)
In our self defense class this is discussed time and time again, along with the legal issues of force, which in both discussions we bring in LEOs, AAL s(Attorneys At Law) and PPs(Practicing Pshychologists).
Gone, are high kicking, other methods, and the Gi in these sessions. |
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Red J
Black Belt
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Posts: 2278
Location: WPB, FL
Styles: Shaolin Kempo Sandan
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"I must warn you that my hands are registered as lethal weapons with the FBI."
Ralph Malph - Happy Days
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47MartialMan
Black Belt
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Styles: Small Variety....."Spice of Life"
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F.B.I.?
I nthis case, the Federal Bereau of Idiots? |
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on the post.
