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baronbvp
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
Posts: 1115
Location: Northern VA
Styles: JKD/MMA, Muay Thai, Shorin Ryu, military combat arts, grappling, fencing, archery
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That's the spirit! Kick 'em in the head when they're on their knees.  That would be the only way I could reach....
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1674
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| elbows_and_knees wrote: |
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| if your in guard (the person has pulled you down and locked their legs round you) dig your elbows in the middle of thier inner thigh to free yourself. |
there's actually a lot more to it than that. The thigh dig is so overused now, that people are used to it, and it's farily easy to resist. That alone will not free you from someone who knows how to grapple. |
Elbows is absolutely correct in this. Getting a person to open their guard should be a biomechanical process, not based on pain compliance that will be ineffective in combat.
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1674
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Hands vs. Feet |
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How about in grappling? Are hands more effective against feet? Or do feet reign supreme in grappling? |
While the legs/feet play an extremely important role in grappling (closing the guard, moving the hips, keeping weight distribution proper), the submissions (over 90%) require the use of hands and arms. Therefore I would have to go with hands on this.
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 981
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I rely mostly on hands, not because I don't think legs are worthwhile, but I just am not all that great with kicks. The exception being that I like knees....
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 12059
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I would prefer hand strikes to kicking myself, in self-defense. However, in sparring, I like to use both. In TKD, there are so many people who want to stand away and kick, and then just clinch when they get in close. When they try to clinch with me, they get a surprise! 
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baronbvp
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
Posts: 1115
Location: Northern VA
Styles: JKD/MMA, Muay Thai, Shorin Ryu, military combat arts, grappling, fencing, archery
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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My plan is to work on my elbow and knee techniques, as well as close-in punches like hooks and uppercuts. Most folks don't like to fight close in - but I do.
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cross
Black Belt
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Posts: 1859
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| baronbvp wrote: |
| My plan is to work on my elbow and knee techniques, as well as close-in punches like hooks and uppercuts. Most folks don't like to fight close in - but I do. |
Sounds like a good plan, dont forget gouging, ripping, pulling etc also great from in close. |
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baronbvp
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
Posts: 1115
Location: Northern VA
Styles: JKD/MMA, Muay Thai, Shorin Ryu, military combat arts, grappling, fencing, archery
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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And bad breath.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 12059
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| baronbvp wrote: |
| My plan is to work on my elbow and knee techniques, as well as close-in punches like hooks and uppercuts. Most folks don't like to fight close in - but I do. |
I think that is a good idea, Baron. In my Combat Hapkido curriculum, elbow and knee strikes are part of the system. I will be adding some kicking shield training for the knees, and likewise elbow work. These are very important tools that need to be utilized.
Besides, which would you rather take, a solid punch, or a sharp elbow strike? OUCH!!!
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Marine
White Belt
Joined: 14 Feb 2007
Posts: 13
Location: Oregon
Styles: BJJ, Kempo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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i like them both but in real life MA fighting the hands are much better. i tend to use my kicks for as distractions to get them to lower their guard. as for grappling the legs are used more for control and the hands and arms are used to submit, but that is not always true and is sometimes the opposite like in the triangle, umma platta (spelling), etc.
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on the post.
