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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:48 am    Post subject: How important is grappling really? Reply with quote

I have seen talk about how grappling is useless and also how it is usefull.

In my opinion grappling is equally important to stand up.

9 out of 10 times a fight goes to the ground and often ends there,this is why I believe it is important and handy to have grappling skills.

It is great to have stand up skills,but if you're the one that ends up on the ground you don't want to lose,you want to be able to continue to fight back,so this is where grappling is very important.

If someone is trained in a martial arts that doesn't include grappling they are very much limited and should think about adding grappling to their art now or in the future.An art that includes both is a bonus though.


Does anybody here agree?If you don't agree prove me wrong.I'd be more then happy to see what you have to say and can prove.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't look me.. I've always said that grappling is important in your martial arts curriculum.
And if you are a grappler then you must learn how to strike-period.
Both are equaly important.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SubmissionFighter wrote:
Don't look me.. I've always said that grappling is important in your martial arts curriculum.
And if you are a grappler then you must learn how to strike-period.
Both are equaly important.


You obviously agree with me then.I'm glad to see that someone agrees so far.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grappling should be in the training of anyone who want to be able to truely defend themselves in a real fight.

I personally belive you should foucus more on standup..and also on takedown defenses, but grappling should be in there..and not just a tiny bit.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJS wrote:
Grappling should be in the training of anyone who want to be able to truely defend themselves in a real fight.

I personally belive you should foucus more on standup..and also on takedown defenses, but grappling should be in there..and not just a tiny bit.


Very true.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a freestylist from way back and a portion of my training has been in judo/bjj... it's very important to know this stuff, it's just essential, because all the jab-cross in the world aint gonna help u if u r in someone's rear guard n about to be choked out... a lot of traditionalists don't understand this, and this is why they are teaching outdated systems and creating sub-standard advanced students.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It always depends. Always.

I work as a security guard in a country where I can go to prison for punching someone attacking me. I need grappling ability to subdue my opponents without making too much damage to them. It all comes down to law and what you are ready, willing and allowed to do to your opponents.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirves wrote:
It always depends. Always.

I can go to prison for punching someone attacking me.


Thats sad.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJS wrote:
Thats sad.


Yes it is. And if the judges find out I have trained fighting they put me in for a long time. The best for me is to grapple and if in public, constantly yell aloud "clam down, calm down or you'll get hurt", that way the witnesses will tell a tale that supports mine.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just going to copy most of my reply to another post:

I certainly agree with the importance of grappling and that a lot of fights will end up on the ground, but if I remember correctly that 90% figure came from a report on confrontations that police officers got themselves into. Generally speaking they're trained to take an opponent down which would lead to a lot less bruising (and lawsuits) than a stand-up fight.

I'm fully aware there are many better fighters than me out there and that there are no rules on the street and I expect that going into every possible fight situation. Assuming the other guy has more experience and is better than you is a wonderful way to think. With that in mind, I'd much rather fight someone standing up and try and avoid going to the ground if they're more experienced than me.

I never implied that one or two shots would take a guy down every time, but a few well aimed strikes will take the fight out of most people (especially inexperienced fighters) without you ever going to the ground. That doesn't mean I dispute the fact that grappling is important, but it does mean I don't underestimate what a good striker can do.
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