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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: How to fight larger opponents Reply with quote

I know this has probably been asked many times, but our opinions have probably change as well.. so I will ask, what is some good techniques to take down a much larger opponent than you, I am not talking about just height, but weight as well.. I was thinking that a kick to the kneecaps was probably good, but I have also heard that you have to be pretty accurate to land a good one..? I dont want to go into small technicalities, just the techniques that would be effective in your opinion.. what have you used? or what would you use to take them down?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm about 250 pounds... and about 6'2"...

If you kick my kneecap hard enough, I'm not getting up quickly. But a strong side kick to the side of the knee takes a lot less skill and percision. Even if you miss... I am likely to go down. The top of the foot is another good target.

If you have a little speed and power... I'd do one of those with three to five techniques and then put a lot of distance between me and the slightly injured, very large and angry man.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side stomping kick to the knee and a low line round house to the leg are both very good techniques that also serve to keep you out of clinching range.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sabro wrote:
I'm about 250 pounds... and about 6'2"...

If you kick my kneecap hard enough, I'm not getting up quickly. But a strong side kick to the side of the knee takes a lot less skill and percision. Even if you miss... I am likely to go down. The top of the foot is another good target.

If you have a little speed and power... I'd do one of those with three to five techniques and then put a lot of distance between me and the slightly injured, very large and angry man.


I would say I have more power than speed.. 50% of my training is reaction time training.. the other half is Rep after Rep of technique.. I like the round house, especially the ones from Muay Thai
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use lunging attacks to get to the head and sweeps on the knees and legs. I'd also use finger jabs on armpits. If I could counter a grab or a full swing haymaker well enough, I'd be able to quickly pull them off balance and use a hip or neck throw. I would also hip check. Body attacks would be rare unless I knew I could punch hard enough and rapidly enough to break through whatever fat or muscle tissue may be shielding his internals.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick up a chair and hit them with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the low line round kick to the common peroneal is a great justifier, as long as you aren't being picked on by a guy with Muay Thai experience. A finger jab to the eye may help as well, if you find yourself that close to the opponent. However, most people will defend the head well, so you have to get a good spot.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyes are good targets. Hit him with a car or a big stick. Anything heavy and then get distance.

Hey it's combat. Screams... high pitched screams could give you an opportunity. Or a loud kiai. Throw something... do something unexpected. You can't control size, but you can control distance and timing. Use your surroundings to minimize his advantage and maximize your advantage.

I once told I guy that I didn't want to fight. I looked him straight in the eye. I said he'd probably kill me. That eventually, he would win. But that I would make it my life's purpose to tear out his left eye before he killed me.

That stopped the fight right away. He shook my hand and walked away.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sabro wrote:
Eyes are good targets. Hit him with a car or a big stick. Anything heavy and then get distance.

Hey it's combat. Screams... high pitched screams could give you an opportunity. Or a loud kiai. Throw something... do something unexpected. You can't control size, but you can control distance and timing. Use your surroundings to minimize his advantage and maximize your advantage.

I once told I guy that I didn't want to fight. I looked him straight in the eye. I said he'd probably kill me. That eventually, he would win. But that I would make it my life's purpose to tear out his left eye before he killed me.

That stopped the fight right away. He shook my hand and walked away.


Personally I wouldnt Kiai... as for the eye thing, wow... but I wouldnt hit'em with a car...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same things that work against normal sized opponents often work the same against large sized opponents- what matters is how technically you execute them.

Strength is used in all fighting techniques. Against someone your own size, only a little technique is needed to compliment your strength in order to make a technique work. The stronger, heavier, and more athletic your opponent, the more important the technical execution of your move.

That being said, I think one of the best things to use against overly large opponents is a single leg takedown. Single legs can be done against anyone, regardless of their size, and big people tend to have poor balance due to their size, making it easier to finish a single leg takedown on them than on a smaller more agile opponent
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