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Alan Armstrong
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In Shindokan, a Karate style that's deeply engrossed in grappling/Tegumi, we incorporate our brand of Tuite in all things. Yet, if I might, whether it be Tuite or Chin Na, they're both about joint manipulations and the like. So, I suppose that Shindokan incorporates Chin Na...too. We just don't use that terminology!!
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Many MA styles use Chin Na and also many styles are shy to use the techniques, for reasons such as...
It is a little contradictory to have a kicking style during the day and then teach grabbing techniques in the evening.
Chin Na isn't used to subdue the opponent then beat the person to submission as some people like to be cruel with there force using these skills.
Chin Na is mostly used in a humanitarian manner and not a way to gloat and brag how oppents needed to tap out of pass out, by egoistical maniacs wearing a GI.
To master Chin Na's 700 techniques can take a considerable amount of time, if you can imagine just to learn 100 techniques a year, that's 7 years of training.
Joint manipulation, muscle and tendon grabbing, pressure point striking, or the usual chokes, can seem more like a med student practice than a way to fight off bandits.
It is also a way to learn how to prolong oneself by understanding a type human bio-machanics.
The Shaolin monks first used Chin Na techniques to subdue wild animals, so as to not seriously harm them.
White Crane style uses Chin Na techniques more than any other system but not more than the Shaolin fighting monks that developed it.
White Crane MA is openly aware of it's fame for helping weak people due to illness or premature births.
As the Crane is not a strong animal such as a Tiger, Chin Na can with practice increase a person's chances of survival in confrontations, not to kill the Tiger with Crane techniques but to prolong it's chances to survive fatal attacks; sustained attacks by a Tiger will however lead to the Crane's fatality.
This is why MA practitioners also learn Tiger forms and strategies to harmonize with their White Crane system. |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan Armstrong wrote: |
| sensei8 wrote: |
In Shindokan, a Karate style that's deeply engrossed in grappling/Tegumi, we incorporate our brand of Tuite in all things. Yet, if I might, whether it be Tuite or Chin Na, they're both about joint manipulations and the like. So, I suppose that Shindokan incorporates Chin Na...too. We just don't use that terminology!!
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Many MA styles use Chin Na and also many styles are shy to use the techniques, for reasons such as...
It is a little contradictory to have a kicking style during the day and then teach grabbing techniques in the evening.
Chin Na isn't used to subdue the opponent then beat the person to submission as some people like to be cruel with there force using these skills.
Chin Na is mostly used in a humanitarian manner and not a way to gloat and brag how oppents needed to tap out of pass out, by egoistical maniacs wearing a GI.
To master Chin Na's 700 techniques can take a considerable amount of time, if you can imagine just to learn 100 techniques a year, that's 7 years of training.
Joint manipulation, muscle and tendon grabbing, pressure point striking, or the usual chokes, can seem more like a med student practice than a way to fight off bandits.
It is also a way to learn how to prolong oneself by understanding a type human bio-machanics.
The Shaolin monks first used Chin Na techniques to subdue wild animals, so as to not seriously harm them.
White Crane style uses Chin Na techniques more than any other system but not more than the Shaolin fighting monks that developed it.
White Crane MA is openly aware of it's fame for helping weak people due to illness or premature births.
As the Crane is not a strong animal such as a Tiger, Chin Na can with practice increase a person's chances of survival in confrontations, not to kill the Tiger with Crane techniques but to prolong it's chances to survive fatal attacks; sustained attacks by a Tiger will however lead to the Crane's fatality.
This is why MA practitioners also learn Tiger forms and strategies to harmonize with their White Crane system. |
What's the correlation between your post here and my quoted post??
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Alan Armstrong
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Just pointing put other viewpoints of Chin Na, that's all. |
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sensei8
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Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan Armstrong wrote: |
| Just pointing put other viewpoints of Chin Na, that's all. |
Ok; thanks Alan Armstrong, I was just wondering.
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