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Goju_boi
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Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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Location: Houston , Texas
Styles: Goju ryu , Kobudo , and just started Capoeira
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 Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Karate and Capoiera |
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ok, I do Goju ryu karate as my base style. However I recently started Capoeira, So I want to know your opinions on this. Personally I think they both help each other out.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: Karate and Capoeria |
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I think that sounds cool. Anyone who has read my posts concerning Capoeria knows I think it would be cool to learn, regardless of its practicality. I think it will give you some very interesting kicking options to work with. And they have some cool arial stuff too.
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Goju_boi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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well a lot of the basic kicks are also in karate, just done with a "ginga"
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Goju_boi wrote: |
| well a lot of the basic kicks are also in karate, just done with a "ginga" |
Yeah, but you get to start spinning, ducking, jumping, turning, twisting, flipping, and all of that other stuff to go along with the techniques now. I love watching the movie Only the Strong, seeing how they flow in the drills. Yeah, the movie is kind of corny, but the choreography is great.
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Karateka_latino
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Joined: 21 Jun 2001
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Location: Panama city, Panama
Styles: Goju-Ryu & Shotokan Karate do; Shaolin Kung Fu. Previous training in Muay Thai, J.K.D., Tai Chi & Taekwondo(wtf)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| It will help your karate with a great workout, coordination, flexibility, and other things. |
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Goju_boi
Black Belt
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Karateka_latino wrote: |
| It will help your karate with a great workout, coordination, flexibility, and other things. |
it has. It's made me a lot more lighter on my feet with greater stamina and very fluid in sparring. It's also giving me great dancing skills for merengue and salsa 
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juey palancu
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Joined: 24 Dec 2005
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Location: Puerto Rico
Styles: Shotokan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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I've practiced in Capoeira in the past and it is a beautiful art, and has some very strong techniques, but in my opinion, most of these spinning and jumping techniques are superfluous in combat, where one wants to keep things simple, point A to point B. Also, I have found that rhythm is bad for fighting, since makes one susceptible to being 'timed' and caught between techniques or out of balance. Just ask a boxer or a judoka waht happens when they get caught in a rhythmic pattern (it's not good).
I would reccomend Capoeira for conditioning and flexibility, as said above by other posters, but would advise to rely on your karate should a self-defense situation ever find you (and you can't run or talk your way out). I dont consider Capoeira a well-developed fighting art just yet.
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Goju_boi
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| juey palancu wrote: |
I've practiced in Capoeira in the past and it is a beautiful art, and has some very strong techniques, but in my opinion, most of these spinning and jumping techniques are superfluous in combat, where one wants to keep things simple, point A to point B. Also, I have found that rhythm is bad for fighting, since makes one susceptible to being 'timed' and caught between techniques or out of balance. Just ask a boxer or a judoka waht happens when they get caught in a rhythmic pattern (it's not good).
I would reccomend Capoeira for conditioning and flexibility, as said above by other posters, but would advise to rely on your karate should a self-defense situation ever find you (and you can't run or talk your way out). I dont consider Capoeira a well-developed fighting art just yet.
ossu, gero
it seems that my boricua friend has the same opinion I do.
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elbows_and_knees
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Styles: thai boxing, grappling
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| Goju_boi wrote: |
| well a lot of the basic kicks are also in karate, just done with a "ginga" |
Yeah, but you get to start spinning, ducking, jumping, turning, twisting, flipping, and all of that other stuff to go along with the techniques now. I love watching the movie Only the Strong, seeing how they flow in the drills. Yeah, the movie is kind of corny, but the choreography is great. |
maybe. depends on the form and the group. in capoeira angola, you won't see that. in some regional schools, you don't see it either, or at least not as much. For example, our group - Nacao - is more combat oriented. there are knees, elbows, headbutts, etc. we empahsize basics and don't introduce flash until much later. even then, it plays a backseat role to the more practical basic techniques. |
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elbows_and_knees
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| juey palancu wrote: |
| I've practiced in Capoeira in the past and it is a beautiful art, and has some very strong techniques, but in my opinion, most of these spinning and jumping techniques are superfluous in combat, where one wants to keep things simple, point A to point B. Also, I have found that rhythm is bad for fighting, since makes one susceptible to being 'timed' and caught between techniques or out of balance. Just ask a boxer or a judoka waht happens when they get caught in a rhythmic pattern (it's not good). |
How long did you train? They always tell us that capoeira should NOT be predictable. By moving in so many directions, you are able to keep the opponent guessing. you shouldn't have a rhythmic pattern at all.
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| I would reccomend Capoeira for conditioning and flexibility, as said above by other posters, but would advise to rely on your karate should a self-defense situation ever find you (and you can't run or talk your way out). I dont consider Capoeira a well-developed fighting art just yet. |
sure it is. a lot of the mestres are brutal. I know of one who was a bouncer at a club in miami for a time. They say he wasn't a fun one to mess with.
I spar (using muay thai and judo) vs my capoeira instructor all the time and he can definitely hold his own. |
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