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bushido_man96
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:30 am    Post subject: Karate Throws and Judo Throws: a comparison Reply with quote

This video went through my Facebook feed the other day, and I thought it was an interesting commentary from Iain Abernethy in regards to the difference in Karate and Judo throwing, specifically, the difference in throwing for competition or self-defense.

https://youtu.be/ZEeZ-0bjS0c

What do you think? I know not everyone gets on board with Abernethy's approach to bunkai, but I think this discussion is less about deriving applications from kata, and more about the environment these throws are applied in.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Context. It is something lacking in a lot of technical discussions in martial arts and I think that is exactly what Mr. Abernethy was getting at in that video.

We tend to get caught up in doing what we do, the way we've done it without regard to the why something is done or how it might need to be changed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShoriKid wrote:
Context. It is something lacking in a lot of technical discussions in martial arts and I think that is exactly what Mr. Abernethy was getting at in that video.

We tend to get caught up in doing what we do, the way we've done it without regard to the why something is done or how it might need to be changed.

Solid post!!

I also have always seen that the difference in Judo throws from Karate throws is that Judoka's remain with the opponent while the Karateka's remain upright for a follow/finish technique.

Which ones correct? Both! Different ideas bring different models which also bring different desires based on what's to be achieved.

Also, Mr. Abernathy's Bunkai is what it is, I don't like it and I don't hate it either. Why? Oyo Bunkai allows ME, and me alone to discover the different avenues while on my own MA journey. To not follow someone else's ideology, but to discern on my own what they're a proponent of...discard or accept as my Oyo discovers.

Good topic, Brian; thanks for it!!



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies, guys. Its good to see the differences, and to then discuss the reasons for the differences.

I get to see a lot of this in Wrestling, too, in how the moves are used to score points or get a pin, as opposed to staying standing and gaining control from that position.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My karate teacher would always say "Don't worry, it's all in there". There is no style, only techinique.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjanurse wrote:
My karate teacher would always say "Don't worry, it's all in there". There is no style, only techinique.


Solid post!!



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