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Knuth
Yellow Belt

Joined: 06 Jun 2002
Posts: 71
Location: The land of the free.
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Some of you people need to get out and explore other martial arts. One art is not better than another. If one was then it would be the only one out there. They are all good for their intended purpose and body type.
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OxygenAsh
Yellow Belt

Joined: 03 Feb 2002
Posts: 34
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I practice Wing Chun and in the past I did Shotokan Karate. I'd say Wing Chun will win any day of the week - all other things kept the same. It's just more street-adopted style. |
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ZeRo
Black Belt

Joined: 03 Apr 2002
Posts: 2571
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| it all depends on the fighter (i know this has been said) i mean you could have a guy whos not been trained beat a guy whos been trained for years. (ok he would have to suck but you know what i mean!) |
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inyctrotter
Yellow Belt

Joined: 10 Aug 2002
Posts: 72
Location: Bayside,Queens, Ny
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Everybody think karate is better because its more "dynamic" everything looks all powerful. But you cant judge an art by how it looks you must judge it on how it preforms. Even though kung fu has weird stances. They are useful stances. I would say kung fu is better. |
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Karateka_latino
Black Belt

Joined: 21 Jun 2001
Posts: 1295
Location: Panama city, Panama
Styles: Goju-Ryu & Shotokan Karate do; Shaolin Kung Fu. Previous training in Muay Thai, J.K.D., Tai Chi & Taekwondo(wtf)
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2002 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Based on my experience, i'd say Karate. |
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Kensai
Black Belt


Joined: 05 Jul 2002
Posts: 1415
Location: Britain
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2002 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Depends on the style of Kung Fu, I have always thought Shaolin is formidable, but so is Shorin Ryu. Its a tough call. |
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Tapout
Yellow Belt

Joined: 22 Jul 2002
Posts: 41
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Karate vs. Kung Fu...
Depends on the style of Kung Fu who would win the match. If the Karate practitioner fights a San Shou practitioner then San Shou would win without a doubt. _________________ Tapout or pass out, it dosen't matter to me! |
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Red J
Black Belt


Joined: 11 Aug 2002
Posts: 2277
Location: WPB, FL
Styles: Shaolin Kempo Nidan
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2002 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The better fighter would win! Strong and tough mean little if there is no proficiency in technique. |
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Shaolin
Orange Belt

Joined: 22 Feb 2002
Posts: 123
Location: NYC Metro Area
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with many striking arts is that they rarely, if ever train balance control and manipulation using energy issuing. Wing Chun and most real Kung-Fu does this as do ground systems and a few other systems out there. When the fighter trains to hit a target but not address the living energy present in the target and not train to connect with his target he is missing out. This works fine on a heavy bag hanging by a chain but ignores the fact that the study of energy, balance and leverage are not present in that kind of training.
I trained Shotokan and other systems years ago and ultimately they train to deal with sight only – ‘I see it I try to hit it and then get the hell out of there.’ Incorrect strategy! Sight is not fast enough in combat. By the time one sees something it is often too late. In real Kung-Fu the fighter will stick to his opponent and control him. He knows how to control him by feeling what his opponent is doing. If his opponent has no experience in dealing with this energy manipulation he will be in big trouble if the kung-fu man knows how to use it.
There are many students in most schools that train for combat but have no real fighting spirit. There are simply less of these types of students to be found in boxing or kickboxing gyms for obvious reasons. It is for this reason that they are perceived to be tougher - they have to be. However you will also find some very tough guys in KF. In this case all my money is on the tough KF guy if he is actually skilled.
As for Wing Chun: It is not flashy in the least - no posing. Wing Chun always attempts to use the simplest most direct attack/defense possible, while controlling the opponent. This is in fact what Wing Chun seeks to be - the most direct way to nullify an attack in terms of energy, distance and angle - this is what the founders of the system sought to create. The Wing Chun fighter shoots in and takes control and does not disengage or stop until the threat is destroyed. Every time I see a boxer-type shoot in throw a strike and back out again I cringe – this is exactly what we train Wing Chun students not to do – once the WC guy gets in he will stay in and stick to you. This is just one example of how KF does differs from what else is out there. |
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Karateka_latino
Black Belt

Joined: 21 Jun 2001
Posts: 1295
Location: Panama city, Panama
Styles: Goju-Ryu & Shotokan Karate do; Shaolin Kung Fu. Previous training in Muay Thai, J.K.D., Tai Chi & Taekwondo(wtf)
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm
Maybe on the beginning stages Karate can beat Kung Fu most of the time. Because KF takes longer to learn and master the basics. Also there still a lot of "hold back" mentality on traditional chinese martial arts. |
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