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Ottman
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ki balls are fiction. The whole point of ki is to learn to think internally. For instance, when attacking someone, we tend to be thinking about how that strike will affect our opponent; we have a specific objective in mind: to knock our opponent to the left or the right or backwards, to sweep him, take him down; whatever.

Thinking in this manner gives our opponent more control over a situation, because as we are trying to control him into reacting according to our objective, and as we try to execute this control, we are no longer thinking about what our own bodies are doing, instead being focused on what the opponent is doing, or how he is reacting to our technique (i.e. we become obsessed with whether or not our control over the opponent, and our objective has been achieved. We are thinking externally.)

Thinking internally; or not worrying about controlling your opponent, but instead remaining focused on controlling yourself is much more difficult and requires much more focus, because in the action of reacting to our opponent's maneuvers, we are not (while using internal thinking) focusing on intercepting and controlling their force with our own opposing force. Instead, we are maneuvering our bodies without much regard as to how it will affect the opponent. We are focusing on executing the maneuver purely, as though the opponent was not there, and this way, he cannot win by capturing and controlling our energy, because we are in full control of our own internal energy, and this is because we are not trying to project this energy at our opponent in order control him. If we project it, and thus focus on the opponent's reaction rather than on controlling our own movement, he can then capture this energy and control it, and thus control our movement.

This may sound very mystical and supernatural, as I am using language like 'projecting' and 'controlling' energy, but it really is not. There is no ki energy that is shooting around from person to person, or that can be used to project some sort of supernatural control over another. Ki is simply an idealization of the transference of force between two people who are fighting (for instance), based on the laws of physics. We could write out the actual physics equations and analyze how all these forces would work themselves out under various scenarios of two people moving around one another and engaging in combat, but of course that wouldn't do us much good when trying to fight someone out on the street, so instead we must think of all those equations in terms of how our bodies should move, and how the different parts of the body should work together in order to use the correct ‘equation’ (per se) to maintain control over our own movement and force. Then we must actually physically execute these techniques using these ideal body mechanics. Ki is just an easier concept to use, (as opposed to, say, vector, or force physics) when understanding and using the proper body mechanics in a live, real time situation.

If you think about all the different parts of the body, and the infinite number of possible ways the parts of a human body can move together, that's a lot to think about at once when we are practicing martial arts (or fighting, or whatever) to make sure we are using the best combination of posture, of muscle tenseness vs. relaxation, the best balance, etc. for the situation at hand. The saying 'centering your ki' does not mean you are summoning some supernatural energy from out of thin air. Instead it refers to setting your mind into a mode of focus that allows you to handle thinking about all of those positions and body mechanics that you must use, perhaps instantly in a martial arts, or fighting situation (or etc.). Centering the Ki, is just a way of meditating to make sure you are certain of your movements without thinking about them, and this only comes from long, hard, disciplined training. There is no way to meditate for ten minutes and then shoot some accumulated energy from the process at someone. Ki balls are fiction.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, Ottman. Thanks a bunch for that post.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Ki balls Reply with quote

Cormoran wrote:
a_ninja wrote:
How do i form a ki ball ive tried different stuff but it doesnt work


Have you tried yelling "Hadoken!" ?


LOL! I tried that once. It didn't work. Then I tried yelling 'Sonic Boom!' Still no Ki balls. It did raise the power of my strike by about 12% though!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh, half-circle foward heavy punch usually works for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er, have I missed something, what's a ki ball and who is dilliman?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

¶ARADOX wrote:
Er, have I missed something, what's a ki ball and who is dilliman?


Read my post above: Ki Balls are fiction. They don't exist. As for Dilliman. I'm not sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

¶ARADOX wrote:
Er, have I missed something, what's a ki ball and who is dilliman?


(From Wiki)
George Dillman is martial arts instructor controversial due to his claims regarding the use of pressure points.

Basically teaches light touch and no touch knockouts, chi manipulation, that sort of stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Ki balls Reply with quote

Cormoran wrote:
a_ninja wrote:
How do i form a ki ball ive tried different stuff but it doesnt work


Have you tried yelling "Hadoken!" ?


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I believe it's possible but I don't think you'll get something like the Hadouken or something out of "Dragonball Z." Shiolin artists meditate and use their body's energy to do all sorts of things to their targets. I've heard tales of Shiolin monks shattering thick glass windows from two feet away with their bare hands and seen videos of similar things done. An energy ball would just be a super-concentrated way of doing that. However, as possible as it may be, it's still impossible to a degree. I cannot even imagine the amount of dedication, concentration, and meditation it must require to learn how to break glass with pure energy. Triple that and you'll get the 'ki ball' you're looking for.
That's how I would guess it would be done. But I seriously doubt you'd be able to do it.
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