|
|
| Author |
Message |
Sohan
Black Belt
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 1986
Location: Atlanta
Styles: Shorin Ryu Karate-Do, Muay Thai, Shudokan Karate-Do, Boxing, BJJ, Hung Gar Gung Fu
|
 Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Belasko wrote: |
| Sohan wrote: |
I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are about those that you don't agree with. I certainly wouldn't hold it against anyone to disagree. 
And you're absolutely correct about no absolutes in this case. They're just cats, anyways. I wouldn't fight like a crane or drunken monkey in every case either.
Respectfully,
Sohan |
IMO "most Fights" won't end up on the ground. I base this judgement on my experience from fights when I was younger, and most did not end up on the ground. Also talking with multiple law enforcement officers and bouncers, all of whom have been in multiple fights d/t their line of work. They routinely stated that the fights they had been in did not end up on the ground until the opponent was taken down for restraint purposes or had been K.O.'ed and ended up there. I'm not saying that none of them end up there, just not the majority, unless you start there or want to be there.
The other item I don't completely agree with is that biting is a necessary aspect of fighting. I'm not saying it isn't effective, I'm just saying it isn't "necessary." With that said, I also don't discount it as an option or expect that my opponent would not use it. In certain circumstances it would probably be very high on my list of choices. |
Re biting: Okay, I like your word better>>> effective. With your permission I'll change that!
Re groundfighting: I too, have never been brought down when I didn't really want to be. The truth of that observation depends on who you talk to--there doesn't seem to be a consensus from what I've seen. But remember the title of my thread: "Strategies I Have Learned From My Cats". It wasn't "Strategies I Have Learned From The Cops/Streetfighters/Bouncers". I would assume that that version would be somewhat different. 
Respectfully,
Sohan
_________________
"If I cannot become one of extraordinary accomplishment, I will not walk the earth." Zen Master Nakahara Nantenbo
"A man who has attained mastery of an art reveals it in his every action." Samuarai maxim
"Knowing others is wisdom; knowing yourself is Enlightenment." Lao-Tzu |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Aodhan
Black Belt
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 1443
Styles: ATA TKD, WTF, Shotokan
|
| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Sohan wrote: |
remember the title of my thread: "Strategies I Have Learned From My Cats". It wasn't "Strategies I Have Learned From The Cops/Streetfighters/Bouncers". I would assume that that version would be somewhat different.
|
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Ok, I just about splorted protein shake all over my monitor from that one.
Nicely done, sir. Well played.
Aodhan
_________________
There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.
-Douglas Everett, American hockey player |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Belasko
Orange Belt
Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 180
Location: Idaho
Styles: Tae Kwon do, some Judo
|
| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
point taken. 
_________________
Getting a blackbelt just says you have learned the basics and are ready to actually study the form as an art. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JusticeZero
Green Belt
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
Posts: 487
Location: Melbourne, AU
Styles: Capoeira Angola
|
| Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Martial Arts Strategy I've Learned From My Cats--Serious |
|
|
| Sohan wrote: |
| 2. Most fights will indeed end up on the ground. |
Cats drop to the ground to free up their limbs to fight. It's like a martial art style that teaches you to sit/lay down as soon as a fight starts so that you can kick and punch with all four limbs without worrying about balancing or being swept. It's obvious when watching the cats at my mom's house spar, because the mass difference between the two of them is huge, and you can watch the bigger cat consciously lay down after being tackled by an attack that in no way had enough force to tip him over.. kind've like watching the 90 pound girl go for a flying tackle into the football player, who gets tackled, doesn't move an inch, looks down at her, and drops to the ground. Cats are quadrupedal, and without dropping to the ground they can only free up one limb at a time for effective striking (two at a time is a bit of an XMA-ish trick for them, and the effectiveness of it is questionable in a similar way as people look dubiously at flying kicks), and without flexibility training they don't have a wide range of targets with that limb. They're low to the ground and can stand quickly, so they drop to turn their limbs toward their opponent.
_________________
"Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sohan
Black Belt
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 1986
Location: Atlanta
Styles: Shorin Ryu Karate-Do, Muay Thai, Shudokan Karate-Do, Boxing, BJJ, Hung Gar Gung Fu
|
| Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Martial Arts Strategy I've Learned From My Cats--Serious |
|
|
| JusticeZero wrote: |
| Sohan wrote: |
| 2. Most fights will indeed end up on the ground. |
Cats drop to the ground to free up their limbs to fight. It's like a martial art style that teaches you to sit/lay down as soon as a fight starts so that you can kick and punch with all four limbs without worrying about balancing or being swept. It's obvious when watching the cats at my mom's house spar, because the mass difference between the two of them is huge, and you can watch the bigger cat consciously lay down after being tackled by an attack that in no way had enough force to tip him over.. kind've like watching the 90 pound girl go for a flying tackle into the football player, who gets tackled, doesn't move an inch, looks down at her, and drops to the ground. Cats are quadrupedal, and without dropping to the ground they can only free up one limb at a time for effective striking (two at a time is a bit of an XMA-ish trick for them, and the effectiveness of it is questionable in a similar way as people look dubiously at flying kicks), and without flexibility training they don't have a wide range of targets with that limb. They're low to the ground and can stand quickly, so they drop to turn their limbs toward their opponent. |
That's really great insight. My cats are brother and sister and exactly the same size, and the little buggers are very good at balancing on their back legs when they fight. It's hysterically funny because it resembles the old Rock Em Sock Em Robots game. I've got some fairly wacky video of them I need to upload to YouTube some day.
Those cats do indeed provide hours of quality entertainment. Though I still consider myself a dog person.
Respectfully,
Sohan
_________________
"If I cannot become one of extraordinary accomplishment, I will not walk the earth." Zen Master Nakahara Nantenbo
"A man who has attained mastery of an art reveals it in his every action." Samuarai maxim
"Knowing others is wisdom; knowing yourself is Enlightenment." Lao-Tzu |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kikr
White Belt
Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
Styles: TKD, Kempo, JiuJitsu
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
Awesome!, not sure how to apply it to my doctrine just yet but it was definately fun to visualize.
_________________
We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
George Orwell |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KarateGirl1387
Yellow Belt
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 29
Location: Minnesota
Styles: (Sport) Karate
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Haha, very nice! I always think it's entertaining to watch cats. I worked at my local Humane Society a few years ago and I was put in charge of the Cat Room and it was always sweet to watch the little kitties grapple with each other. Needless to say, I took copious notes during that time 
_________________
"It's not just Karate, it's a way of life." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 13560
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Wish I was like a cat. Burst 3 times my height from a standing position. Balance on narrow objects with no problems. Cut on a dime and give 9 cents change. Oh, yeah, to be a cat.
_________________
Success is where preparation meets opportunity.
www.chiefswarpath.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Shui Tora
Green Belt
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 388
Location: UK
Styles: Shotokan (Shodan-ho, 3rd Kyu Adult Syll.), Yamabushi Kenjutsu Ryu, Kyudo, Kyusho
|
| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
My cats are somewhat addicted to fighting (just play fighting, no claws drawn) and it is surprising to see that they booth sit on their hind legs to use their front paws.
I've noticed from two of my cats (I have four! One ragdoll) that one will use one of this paws to bolck an attack, it doesn't always work, but on occasions it does. And its quite effective when it does work.
At the very beginning for this post that Sohan made, all the points he wrote down are good points about cats! 
| Sohan wrote: |
If you are losing badly, run
|
"Man who runs away, lives to fight another day..."
Don't put your dukes up until you have to!
Man; I wish I was the Zodiac Tiger, instead I'm a Snake...
_________________
To know the road ahead; ask those coming back... ~ Chinese Proverb
" The ultimate aim of Karate lies not in victory or defeat, but in the perfection of the character of its participants. " ~ Master Funakoshi
Last edited by Shui Tora on Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:12 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jaymac
Black Belt
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 1131
Styles: shotokan (nidan)
|
| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
I just thought this was a great post. No analysis or disagreements needed on this in comparison to MA. I just love cats and think Sohan did an awesome job with his long study of CAT FU!
_________________
A great martial artist is one who is humble and respectful of others. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
on the post.
