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SevenStar · Black Belt

Aznkarateboi said:

"TJS, so you are denying that point sparring helps develop the skills that I mentioned? Or do you deny that those skills are useful in a real fight? Would you please bother to explain why, instead of giving some faulty evidence?

About your evidence, you seem to think that because most point fighters will get defeated handily in a NHB ring by what you call a "real fighter" (which is probably a NHB fighter), they suck at fighting in reality. Sorry, but I am afraid to say that you are wrong. First of all, most "real fighters"/NHB fighters are a combination of boxing and HEAVY on grappling skills. If you bothered to do a bit of research, you would discover that NHB rules DO favor grapplers."

You are allowed to kick
you are allowed to punch
you can knee
you can elbow
you can lock
you can throw
if you are stalling on the ground, they may stand you up

In the early UFCs eye gouges were allowed (Royce himself told me so) You would get a penalty, but if the person couldn't continue, then you would still win.

The rules are fair enough for anyone to compete in mma, not just grapplers. If you notice, there are stand up guys who do just fine - liddell is a perfect example. Mo smith is another.

aznkarateboi · Brown Belt

no one cares about early ufcs. how about groin kicks. and not to mention they wear gloves, which is not "real fighting" because it prevents the pain caused by punching(both the attacker and recipients). can UFC people eye-gouge now? i dont think so. also you can punch kick knee and elbow in most poitn kickboxing tournaments as well. the point isnt to bash MMA, but it is to say that it is foolish to believe that success in an MMA ring equates to success in a fight on the street where two people are trying to kill each other and are surrouned by obstacles. so basically my point is, MMA and street fighting for obvious reasons are extremely different. does street fighting have rules? no. does MMA have rules? many.

SupaNinjaz · Yellow Belt

IMO the most important skills to posses in a street fight are...

- Ability to take a hit or multiply hits
- Ability to fight hurt, tired or in pain
- Ability to control nerves, adrenalin and pressure
- Ability to knock your opponent out
- Ability to control your opponent

These five reasons are why I believe MMA fighters would do incredibly well and much better in a street fight over any other MA practitioner. MMA fighters have experience with the reality of getting hit and getting hit hard, they train this way and they fight this way. You can keep all the black belts, certificates, and trophies you want but if you can't take a hit and stand your ground in pain, then your gonna get a reality check when you get in a street fight. One of the scariest things that can happen is hitting a guy as hard as possible and all he does is smile and counter back.

TJS · Black Belt

TJS · Black Belt

here is the point im making..

Yes there are effective techniques that are not allowed in today UFC's..the point is what makes someone else better at such techniques than a MMA fighter..

Do you think you could step in there and beat todays top fighter by poking their eyes and kicking them in the balls...i bet not...so what gives someoneelse a clear advantage? why cant they use suck techniques? and do a better job?

yes its not "real fighting"

But when you can kick,punch,elbow,knee,slam,choke,break..etc..I think those techniques might just come in useful in a real fight..

Tombstone · Green Belt

This post is a little confusing so I'm just going to ramble a little bit

From experience, I can say that competing in NHB competitions is one of the best ways to train for "the street".

As for grappling, I've never been a heavy grappler and I managed just fine.

Gloves, gotta love em. But thats only if you're fond of your knuckles

aznkarateboi · Brown Belt

since some of you are referring back to the point sparring thread so will i.
here is basically what im trying to say:
-While MMA is very effective for training for defense on the street, it is still a game. a game has rules, fighting against a person who wants to kill you doesn't really have that many rules. and eye gouging and groin kicks can be quite effective and can easily change the tide of a fight against an unsuspecting foe.. i've seen the effects of groin kicks as most of you probably have
-the main point i was trying to express in the point sparring thread.. if u read the quote that sevenstar put u would know.. but i'll repeat myself. MMA is a good way to learn to fight effectively, but point sparring also helps to develop attributes that are effective for fighting. if you bother to read the last few entries i put on the point sparring thread, you would find out which attributes that i think will be honed by point sparring. some are: speed, reflexes, skill, physical strength, ability to dodge, form, and ability to spot openings in an opponents defense. my main point was never to bash MMA, but the point of my posts was to list ways why a poitn fighter would have a good advantage in a real fight against an untrained foe.
Feel free to beg to differ.

aznkarateboi · Brown Belt

TJS you seem to think that i'm trying to compare mma and point sparring. if you read my posts carefully you would notice that i've never done so. so quit saying that a point sparrer will be worse in a fight than a mma fighter because i already know that that is more likely. my point is that a point sparrer will have a significant advantage over someone on the street who doesn't do martial arts

TJS · Black Belt

aznkarateboi · Brown Belt

wait so you think that point sparring is detrimental to fighting ability.. that is kind of farfetched no offense

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