MMA : STRIKING AND GRAPPLING when training

ShoriKid · Orange Belt

We likely have about a 70/30 split with stand up taking the lead. We start with the stand up, but with an Okinawan striking base, that's a foregone conclusion. But, we cover ranges and work clinch after someone has a grasp of the basic strikes and combinations. After that it gets to the ground. There, it's position to strike as much as it is to submit.

Close friend is currently in Criminal Investigations in the Army and just got back from deploment. Had a long talk on the combatives as we were training partners for a long time. His take was the grappling was safer to institute with less gear, than the stand up work that came later. He said it was fun stuff, but some of it not nearly as practical or effective as the instructors tried to pass it off as.
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Adonis · Black Belt

Good Intial Philisophy or stragey. Main Idea is to develop the willingness to engage the enemy. Also the idea to close the distance, gain dominant postion, and fisnish the fight. Those are the main points stressed in the basic level 1 combatives course

ShoriKid · Orange Belt

Exactally. Part of it is putting the needed agression back into people who've had it drilled into their heads for years that fighting, and being in some body's face, is bad always. In that sense, I think it's one of the best ways to accomplish the goal. You want someone to get their aggression levels up, put them on the mats. It's close, nasty and personal.
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Johnlogic121 · Orange Belt

Police Officers who are trained in Montgomery Style Karate train for four consecutive one hour lessons in striking (punching and kicking), then two hours in throwing, and then two hours in grappling. They tend to use the grappling 50% of the time. Nationally, they are seeing a 99% victory rate. They get attacked by assailiants between 1% and 10% of the time, depending on the area of the country, but the attackers try to kill between 1% and 3% of the time. After eight hours of training, they are awarded a yellow belt. Most training groups are not using mats, which makes throwing and grappling a little bit riskier, but people try to be careful to prevent injuries.
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NightOwl · KF Sempai

Kajukenbopr · Pre-Black Belt

ps1 · Black Belt

In his book, Mastering Jujitsu, Renzo Gracie discusses MMA combat in depth. He sites three specific phases:

1. Free Movement- This includes all strikes executed while standing

2. Clinch Phase- Anytime an opponent grasps another they are in a clinch of some type.

3. Ground Phase- Techniques executed while on the ground.

He then categorizes three basic types of MMA strategies based on those phases:

1. Sprawl and Brawl- Those who avoid being taken to the ground and keep the fight on the feet. Chuck Lidell is an excellent example.

2. Ground and Pound- Those who clinch up and perform takedowns followed by using strikes to end the fight.

3. Submission fighters- Those who fight by taking the fight to the ground and attempting to submit the opponent.

Rainbow Warrior: It sounds very much like your school is clearly of type 3. They focus on submissions and study stand up fighting in order to effectively counter it.

Many "TMA" schools are learning about the "Sprawl and Brawl" way. They are studying more grappling in order to learn how to effectively counter it.

Former wrestlers tend to lend themselves well to the Ground and Pound way of fighting due to their strong takedown capabilities.

My current school, being a Gracie BJJ school, falls into the Submission category, despite having a good karate program as well.
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Rainbow_Warrior · Blue Belt

Yes ps1 , we are primary grapplers ( that is the school focus). Most of our fighters win their MMA with subs , but we have some Muay thai instructors in the pro figthing team - Im not in that team of course. because I would die in my first fight

-who study grappling here and fight MMA - they tend to sprawl and brawl -

I m not a super grappler nor a super striker. But I had more standing experience ( 5 years in a BAD light contact Kung fu school , 2 years in boxing and some time in KB , but just 1 year in submision wrestling and less than a jr year in HS wrestling).
My goal is to be well rounded....I try to sprawl and brawl against grapplers , and to take strikers to the ground..The main problem is that those ´´ strikers ´´ are sometimes experienced purple belts in luta ( equal level with a purple in bjj ) so.... the strikers also kick my butt in the ground.
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bushido_man96 · KF Sensei

Thanks for the explanation, ps1. I need to get that book; it sounds like a very informative read.
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