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lupus yonderboy
Yellow Belt
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 69
Location: St. Louis MO
Styles: MMA - Boxing, Judo, Jits, Greco, Folk Wrestling
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 Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Re: MMA : STRIKING AND GRAPPLING when training |
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| Rainbow_Warrior wrote: |
Hey..... I wonder how you do you use your training time.....
At my gym , we do something like 70 percent grappling , and 30 strinking average .We put A LOT more attention in grappling always , because is the school attitude in mma.
Our head instructor teachs much more grappling ( yeah , more ) to the new guys with no previus background on striking. New guys with w/o striking background usually dont learn to strike until they do know the basic moves of ground fighting and takedowns.
How do ya split the training ? |
Depends on the day.
We typically work boxing and clinch on one day, and then clinch and ground on another.
We try to split our training time equally among the three.
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ying&yang
Purple Belt
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 513
Location: melbourne
Styles: JKD , and 15 others
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Thats true , you should always mix up the days. This gives the body time to recover and makes an overall stronger body.
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 988
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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When I get to train...100% grappling and 0% striking. I might be a bit unbalanced in my life.
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ying&yang
Purple Belt
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 513
Location: melbourne
Styles: JKD , and 15 others
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Yea you would become very unblanced.
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Adonis
Black Belt
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 1009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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A good book to check is BJ Penn's MMA book of knowledge. It shows his style of blending strikes with grappling. I just got a month ago. It is really good. Shows how he blends in his strikes to set up his take down.
I just wanted to recommend it. I usually do one or the other in training. However seems to be adjustments have to be made when you do both, so they flow together, so they compliment each other better. |
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2263
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Submission Grappling, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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BJ is awesome.
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ShoriKid
Orange Belt
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Posts: 172
Styles: Matsubyashi-Ryu, Okinawan Kempo, wrestling(submission, Greco-Roman)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Bj's book is one of the better ones out there. Better than the Gracie release concerning MMA. There is some transitional work and need to see how to change things up when both striking and grappling are an issue to contend with. That seperation is something that sometimes takes a while to get over. Some people are very good at both aspects, but getting the switch to click over in their heads can take a long time. It's like they start the fight up right and everything is good. Then they get taken down, or put in clinch with the intention of it going down(always seemd to 'feel' different to me than someone wanting to work standing clinch) and their brain doesn't make the transition until sometime after they hit the mats. Once there, give them a few and you'll see them come back alive and work well.
As a secondary question, how many see the change in their ground game when you introduce striking on the ground as well? I know this may sound obvious, but it seems to put a little hurry in people and suddenly, having that top position becomes more important than it otherwise would have. At least that is the basic observation I have made about the difference.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 14074
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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| ShoriKid wrote: |
| As a secondary question, how many see the change in their ground game when you introduce striking on the ground as well? I know this may sound obvious, but it seems to put a little hurry in people and suddenly, having that top position becomes more important than it otherwise would have. At least that is the basic observation I have made about the difference. |
I think I understand what you are asking here. Many grapplers are trying to put a lock on when they get on top. However, when you start throwing blows in, I think it would tend to throw in a sense of urgency. Not sure, I am certain it could go either way, though.
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Throwdown0850
Green Belt
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 422
Styles: Kodokan Judo, Enshin Karate
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| You mention that the newer students get a lot more grappling work than striking work to start out. I have also seen that the new Modern Army Combatives training starts out with grappling as well. The first level is grappling, and then they move up to the striking and Thai style kicking. Just a trend I noticed. |
Really? hmmm... I would think that it would be harder to do a throw actually??
but, I have a class for each now, Kodokan- Grappling.. Kenpo-Striking.. 
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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Posts: 14074
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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They don't really start off with throws. They start on the ground, and work the control positions.
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on the post.
