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ps1
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Location: NE Ohio
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| I think it was good to see what happened. It showed exactly what transpired, there are no questions about who started what, or having to wait for a statement to be disclosed that would have just told a black and white story. Showing the fight, and then the punishment, really sent it home. I am sure it did help ratings, too. But when you are doing reality-type TV, this is what you get. |
Hmmmm.... this is also a good point. I'm not sure where I stand on this. I guess I didn't care to begin with (that they showed it that is). It may be hypocritical, but not without purpose.
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| As for Dana White's choice of words, that doesn't really offend me much at all. Heck, I am just as guilty of those choices of words as he is. My class mouth is G-rated, but any other time, not so much. When addressing the audience that he was, I don't really see a problem with it. In a class, however, professionalism has to settle in. |
The problem isn't that he swears. Heck, I was in the Army for goodness sake. I can have a big potty mouth sometimes. But I think when you are talking about trying to show your sport is classy, dropping the "F" bomb every other word isn't the way to do it. Again, you did mention the audience to whom he was speaking. That may have been the way he thought it would sink in. I'm not offended by it...just thought it was a little odd.
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NightOwl
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Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 988
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Exactly. While I usually have a pretty clean mouth (maybe sometimes a little bit too harsh of a sense of humor), I live with college guys and am used to hearing some crazy stuff. The point wasn't that I was horribly offended, but that dropping a four letter word for every noun, verb, and adjective in an attempt to explain why your sport shows 'class' seems a bit silly to me.
And on the uniform thing, they could still put ads on it- think NASCAR (even though I do not like the sport)
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TigerDude
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Styles: Goju Ryu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I would say that a national TV audience merits at least as much professionalism as a MA class.
A dirty mouth is just another aspect of having/not having self control. Most people with mouths like that manage not to talk that way in front of their mother.
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1713
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I would say that a national TV audience merits at least as much professionalism as a MA class.
A dirty mouth is just another aspect of having/not having self control. Most people with mouths like that manage not to talk that way in front of their mother. |
This brings an image of Dana White on the phone with his mom..."sorry mom. {Wha wa wa} yeah I know {wha wha wa wa} mom! I know! I was mad thats...{wha wha wha} ok mom it won't happen again. {wa wa wa?} Yeah, I'll be there for dinner on Friday. {wha waaaa} Love you too mom, bye."
It's really funny in my mind at least.
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Steve_K
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| I like the Charlie Brown reference, assuming that's what you were doing. |
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ps1
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| I like the Charlie Brown reference, assuming that's what you were doing. |
You got it...Charles Schultz was a genius!
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kenpo4life
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I disagre with one main point here. This was NOT a streetfight. It was an MMA contest on concrete. Everyone there knew that there were cameras there. Also they knew that nobody was going to let one of the fighters get stomped to death. In real fights you have no such guarantee or safeguards.
I agree that this typified the attitudes of many MMA practitioners. But to call it a streetfight is a stretch. But it does show the glaring ways that MMA is not a reality based system.
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bushido_man96
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I disagre with one main point here. This was NOT a streetfight. It was an MMA contest on concrete. Everyone there knew that there were cameras there. Also they knew that nobody was going to let one of the fighters get stomped to death. In real fights you have no such guarantee or safeguards.
I agree that this typified the attitudes of many MMA practitioners. But to call it a streetfight is a stretch. But it does show the glaring ways that MMA is not a reality based system. |
I disagree. These two were also exceptional athletes, and one of them was quite drunk. Sure, they fought like MMA stylists, but did you notice the undefended shots that one of the guys took? Hurting guys like this isn't going to be that easy to do. Neither got knocked out, but one of them definitely got the rougher end of the stick.
I have seen "real" fights were two guys start swinging, and it doesn't end up much different than the result seen in this case.
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A. Orstrom
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The original link is dead, but this appears to be the same one
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4rznkMqCN0
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pittbullJudoka
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I remember the episode without watchingthe youtube clip. The guys definately deserved to be sent home after disrespecting not Dana but the UFC for acting in such a manner after being given the chance that they had.
Also I was glad to see this fight happen. The reason I say this is a lot of BJJ guys who've been preaching that their style alone is the best for a street fight got proven wrong. Yes alcohol was involed and all the other guys from the house were pressuring for it to happen. So that made it a pretty realistic setting. I hope for the sake of BJJ practicioners everywhere they have learned to not pull guard in a street fight. Because anyone of the other guys could have stepped up and kicked on him like a soccer ball.
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on the post.
