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marmaduke
Yellow Belt
Joined: 22 Jun 2007
Posts: 57
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Styles: Kwanmukan, Kajukenbo, Iaido
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 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: Parent could use some advice. |
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My sons Sensei, how do I say this, "insists" parents buy MA supplies from him. I'm the first one to admit I'm into saving a buck. I'm always looking on the internet.
I'm looking at some Ringstar sparring shoes for my son. The Sensei sells them for approx. $70. I just found a web site that sells the exact same shoe for $30+$5 shipping.
I may upset the Sensei, but I can't see loosing $35.
Any other instructors have the same rule? What would you do? |
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NewEnglands_KyoSa
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 907
Location: New England
Styles: Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do , Chinese Kempo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, there in no rule that says you have to buy anything, but the schools uniform from your sensei. I would not feel bad buying the shoes at all and then if asked, explain why, maybe he will start looking for bargains and start selling for less. many studios sell their own stuff, but i havent heard of one that tends to force you to buy their stuff, it just sounds kinda desperate, but go, and bargain hunt...i would not lose 35dollars to please someone. good luck!
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pittbullJudoka
KF Sempai
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
Posts: 496
Styles: Ryu Kyu Kempo, Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu, Japanese Jujitsu , Judo, Wrestling, Submission Wrestling, Hayastan, Mixed Martial Arts
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| Never heard of it most instructors try to get their students good deals. At my dojo we pay whole sale plus shipping and we I order something for the guys I I just charge shipping and my cost. Looks like the instructor is looking to make a buck off the equipment too. |
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CloudDragon
Purple Belt
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
Posts: 579
Location: Missouri, USA
Styles: Karate, Jujitsu, Kenpo, Taekwondo, Kendo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: |
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I can see the instructor trying to make a little off of the sale, the shipping has gone through the roof lately and the school owners with their wholesale accounts are taking the hit.
However, a 100% markup is pretty much crackhead prices. I would seriously look at how many advanced students this instructor has as compared to newer (less than a year) students. It seems that this guy might not be able to hold on to students and is trying to get them for all that he can while he can.
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whitematt
Yellow Belt
Joined: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 66
Location: Iowa
Styles: ATA Taekwondo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Parent could use some advice. |
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| marmaduke wrote: |
My sons Sensei, how do I say this, "insists" parents buy MA supplies from him. I'm the first one to admit I'm into saving a buck. I'm always looking on the internet.
I'm looking at some Ringstar sparring shoes for my son. The Sensei sells them for approx. $70. I just found a web site that sells the exact same shoe for $30+$5 shipping.
I may upset the Sensei, but I can't see loosing $35.
Any other instructors have the same rule? What would you do? |
Talk to him, tell you found the same shoe for half, and ask if he can give you a better price. |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 12844
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Buy the shoes on the internet, and if he gets upset about it, and threatens punishment, then tell him you would be happy to take your monthly dues elsewhere, too.
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JohnASE
Yellow Belt
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 48
Location: SoCal
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I'm going to have to disagree with most of the responses so far. I think a sensei has the right to insist that you buy from him. I'm not saying he should, but he has a right to.
It's his dojo. He has expenses to cover. He bases his rates on having equipment sales. He's responsible for the safety of his students. If he sells you a product, he knows where it came from.
Your sensei's markup does seem pretty high, but, maybe that's partially offset by a better guarantee or return policy. What if it doesn't fit right? Will your sensei exchange it at no extra charge? What if the sole starts to peel away after a month? Do you trust him to take care of you?
And if you attend his classes, aren't you agreeing to follow his rules? If you can't, maybe you should find another dojo.
I'm not a sensei. I'm in martial arts supply, so maybe I'm biased. I've spoken to a lot of our customers about this. Few require that students buy from them. Of those that do, they tend to take it very seriously. I've had customers refuse to let their students use equipment purchased from outside sources.
Whichever way you decide, I hope it works out for you. |
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ninjanurse
KF Sensei
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Posts: 3948
Location: Upstate NY
Styles: TKD;Shotokan;JuJitsu;Tai Ji
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Counting on retail sales to make your bills is bad business in my opinion. Retention and new students are your bread and butter....retail is a bonus. I suggest to my students that they buy from me as I can give them a better deal on most equipment but I never make it a requirement nor do I make them feel obligated. They should want to support their school because it is a great place to train and they should develop a sense of loyalty because of the way they are treated as students.
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marmaduke
Yellow Belt
Joined: 22 Jun 2007
Posts: 57
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Styles: Kwanmukan, Kajukenbo, Iaido
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If anyone is interested. I bought the shoes from the Sensei. I gave in and figured If my son might need something out of the ordinary somewhere down the line, the Sensei might be more willing to help out.
No re-percussions, no bickering, just a happy kid. Thats all that matters to me.
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tori
Member of the Month
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 128
Styles: shotokan
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Counting on retail sales to make your bills is bad business in my opinion. Retention and new students are your bread and butter....retail is a bonus. I suggest to my students that they buy from me as I can give them a better deal on most equipment but I never make it a requirement nor do I make them feel obligated. They should want to support their school because it is a great place to train and they should develop a sense of loyalty because of the way they are treated as students.
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Well put! I am not required to buy from my instructor, but I do to support the dojo. He always guarentee's his products and if there ever is a problem, it is rectified quickly at no cost to me.
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