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Kyle-san · Brown Belt

From what I've seen Wing Chun, Aikido or Aikijutsu would prepare you the best for that kind of situation.

However, as many others have pointed out, after 10 years of hard work in any art you're bound to be able to handle yourself quite well.

Kensai · Black Belt

Exactly, it does dont matter what art you study. Like you said Kyle, 10 years hard work and you are going to be pretty formidable. As long as you enjoy the art and keep going.

Take Care

Karateka_latino · Black Belt

Yes, that's true.
you can also learn a modern style and in ONE year of hard training you'll be effective.
That way, you can learn in peace your traditional Art knowing that you have something else that will help you to solve any problem you have during your 10 years of traditional training. lol

BlackI · Orange Belt

Can someone define a Modern Art, for me please?
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Karateka_latino · Black Belt

hmmm
Taking the Traditional Arts, study them, analize, Then take off the things that are impractical for our time.
Remember that Arts were created for diferent people in diferent times.
We aren't japanese or chinese. We don't live in Feudal Times anymore.
Traditional Arts takes too much time to learn, sometimes you need to defend yourself Today or tomorrow not in 7 year.
That's why Some people take all the knowlege they have in traditional Arts and blend it and come up with a simpler thing.
Its a natural process.
My feeling is that we use almost the same techniques that years ago, its the society and people who change. and That's why the Arts are changing too.
Modern Arts aren't Inventing NEW techniques, they use old techniques and suit them for THIS society. That's all.
I've say this many many times... Almost every traditional Arts we have today was in there time a Modern ART. Aikido, Judo, shotokan, TKD, BJJ, etc...
All those Arts comes from other arts and so.
Just think about it... in the beggining times , it took 15 to 20 years to be effective... then it was reduced to 8 to 10 years, and Now we are talking about 2 to 3 years and even less.

BlackI · Orange Belt

Hey Submission,

That was a great post. I agree with some and disagree with most. If the arts is using traditional technique, then it is a traditional art. Now, there is a big movement away from alot of the traditional things, especially stances and history. Even though I hate stance, I really appreciate them.

If you trace back you will see that in the feudal system people fought alot more. Because there were no court systems and police forces like there are no. Property/commerce disputes were a huge reason for unrest. This is why they train so hard, for so long. I truly doubt that it was to reach a level of effectiveness. There was always someone to fight, thus they always trained. Simply because their enemies were always training.

Train or Die! It was that simple.

That is why every Great Emperor had the Best MA's surrounding them. China, Egypt, Ethopia, Japan, Zulus,India, Russia etc etc.

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Karateka_latino · Black Belt

Hello again¡¡¡
Modern is a word to define a style that was made for THIS generation for people from THIS generation using the basics of the traditional way.
Example, Ballet.... you have classic Ballet and you have modern Dances. If most of the basics steps in Ballet are used in Modern Dance.. then Why Not call it all Ballet???. Because modern Dance has blend many other styles of Dance and Can't be called by the name Ballet anymore.
Or... if i make a movie with an old camara made in 1,950 but I use Today techniques of filmmaking.. Then how can i consider my movie.. a Classic 1950 movie made in the year 2,002 ???.
If you see an Art say Jun Fan Gung Fu (Bruce Lee) and you compared with Traditional Wing Chun. you'll see there are similar techniques, but most of the stuff isn't the same anymore.
You CAN'T call Jeet kune do by the name of wing Chun, simply because there's A LOT of diferent things.
If you see a Traditional Wing Chun stylist at the side of a Jun Fan Gung Fu stylist you'll see there isn't the same thing anymore despite both share some similar techniques.
That's Why people who train Traditional styles and start to blend them they need to come up with some new Name and new ideas.
I've say this before...Do you think that the styles we train NOW are the same as 200 years ago. NO, they aren't.. Not even the "traditional" styles.
Do you think that the Shotokan Karate we have now is the same that Gichin Funakoshi trained??? Just look at the pictures of Funakoshi .. you see a high stance, in the shotokan karate we train now we use a Low stance , etc...I think the "sport" stuff is the main reason of the change of many Arts. But so is the culture and the people. If a technique was designed to block a spear attack, do you think we can use that Very same technique against glass bottle, a knife, a chair.. i think no, we have to change it a little or a lot to make it work.
What makes something traditional?? its something that its pass from generation to generation the SAME way. If you change it and start to add things, blend other styles, etc.. Then you CAN'T call that traditional anymore because its NOT the same thing the founder create.
We can go one and one with this..lol I'm feeling like discussing.. what's first, the chicken or the egg. lol

BlackI · Orange Belt

Of course styles change over time. It's called evoloution. Now modern dance is basicly, just freestyle dance as I know it. Ballet is more of a set of routines that has been practiced over time. This does not make Ballet less of a dance style. Just like the traditional MA's have been formed over time and all have proven to be very effective.

In regards to MA's who train traditional styles and come up with new things. This happens with everything from cars to food. Innovation is something that is inherit in human beings. A car is still a car the principle idea of the car is transportation. The engine design of a car has not changed that much to change into something totally different. Wheather you call it a Ford, Chevy, Volvo, KIa etc etc..
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SD · Yellow Belt

they should train in gun-fu

Karateka_latino · Black Belt

I never say that modern styles aren't martial Arts.
They ALL are martial Arts, just been changing time to time. but its still Martial Arts.
The way we train is what's been changing and also the way we group the techniques.

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