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magikchiongson
Yellow Belt
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
Posts: 79
Location: Jakarta
Styles: Kun Tao, Silat, Ba Gua, Tae Kweer Do
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Exactly, I don't like my chances with someone with a knife, nor would I care to test it. Don't like my chances against multiple attackers either, hence me wanting to stay on my feet to move out of the way.
I think grapplers enjoy the success that they do because grapplers train against real opponents. So their bodies are used to constant contact. You know its like learning one thing and working it hard every day, you're going to get good at it, and more than likely you will prevail over somebody that doesn't. In other styles available here, that's just not done.
But if grappling was so superior, how come so many grapplers had trouble against a brawler "striker" like Tank Abott? Because Tank was used to fighting for real.
I don't know man, if we were on the ground, I'd be elbowing your head or slamming your head on the concrete, hitting you in the back of the head, trying to blind you or cut your windpipe out or ripping your ears off. Jiu Jitsu has that too, which is kinda why I'm confused why that's not emphasized.
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Freestyler
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| magikchiongson wrote: |
| I don't know man, if we were on the ground, I'd be elbowing your head or slamming your head on the concrete, hitting you in the back of the head, trying to blind you or cut your windpipe out or ripping your ears off. Jiu Jitsu has that too, which is kinda why I'm confused why that's not emphasized. |
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Thai_Kick2
White Belt
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
Posts: 9
Location: Canada
Styles: Muay Thai, JKD, Kali
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| Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| But if grappling was so superior, how come so many grapplers had trouble against a brawler "striker" like Tank Abott? Because Tank was used to fighting for real. |
Their are ALOT more stand up fighters that have done MUCH BETTER then Tank Abbott against grapplers...
Vanderlei Silva(Muay Thai) beat Kazushi Sakuraba (Shootfighting)
Murilo "Ninja" Rua (Muay Thai) beat Mario Sperry (BJJ)
Chuck Liddell (Kickboxing) beat Murile Bustamante (BJJ)
Jose "Pele" Jons (Muay Thai) beat Jorge Patino (BJJ)
These are just a few, but this whole discussion about striking vs grappling is old news and dosen't even apply any more since all MMA's cross train, so drop it! 
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Kensai
Black Belt
Joined: 05 Jul 2002
Posts: 1415
Location: Britain
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Nice to see you back Thai_Kick. 
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magikchiongson
Yellow Belt
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
Posts: 79
Location: Jakarta
Styles: Kun Tao, Silat, Ba Gua, Tae Kweer Do
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Yeah I know Thai, I'm just using Tank Abott as an explanatory model. My whole point was, that its not really Traditional vs Grapplers, more like who's better conditioned at fighting. Tank was conditioned at fighting, that's why he holds his own against grapplers.
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OxygenAsh
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| In my experience, one has to practice with grapplers to know how to counter their takedowns. Strong legs (in a solid stance ala Wing Chun) are helpful too. |
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jiu-jitsu fighter
Brown Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 606
Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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learning to sprawl also makes it much more difficult
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Kensai
Black Belt
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Location: Britain
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| whats a sprawl? |
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yoriki816
Yellow Belt
Joined: 06 Jan 2003
Posts: 42
Location: Southern U.S.
Styles: Shodan Yoseikan Aikido, Shodan Goshin Jujitsu
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Kensai,
A sprawl is a counter to the more common single or double leg take down seen in many forms of grappling such as BJJ. Simply put you pull back your legs as the attacker goes for your legs and use your hands to direct him to the ground. I've found this works especially well against those specific attacks and not so well against other types of take downs. It's a very aiki thing to do however lol.
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jmd161
Orange Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 105
Location: Brooklyn,NY
Styles: Hak Fu Mun (Black Tiger) Swai Jiao
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| Once a grappler is in close and can grab you, you'll be going to the ground. |
I don't know who told you that ,but that's not true.Just because a grappler gets a hold on you does'nt mean you're going down.Every move has a counter so to say that makes no sense.There are so many ways to break a grapplers hold that it would take forever to explain them.I will admit that once a grappler grabs you you have to move fast or it's over.I as well as millions of people all over the world watch UFC/Pride fights.It amazes me how many openings are left in these guys guards.I've worked with my sifu in many of these positions and i can't understand how these guys miss some of the techniques they do.The full mount is not the great position most ppl think it is.If you know your techniques you could submit someone in the full mount while on your back with ease.
Back to the point.
If you know how to strike and bring out the power in those strikes a grappler should never be able to take you down.Remember a grappler has to go through your range and strikes to get to his range.
jmd
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on the post.
