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Ashura
Yellow Belt
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Tacoma, WA
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| Well study the take down techniques and go from there..But sometimes it will happen so maybe learn how to ground fight yourself because you probably won't be able to avoid it all the time. |
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Kensai
Black Belt
Joined: 05 Jul 2002
Posts: 1415
Location: Britain
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| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:44 am Post subject: |
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True true Yoriki.  |
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jiu-jitsu fighter
Brown Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 606
Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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i feel its also important to study a strking martial art, i love bjj but i still study boxing on the side
and i can't think of any counters to the sprawl ?
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BonnyBoy
Yellow Belt
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Posts: 72
Styles: BJJ, Kickboxing, Krav Maga
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| The full mount is not the great position most ppl think it is.If you know your techniques you could submit someone in the full mount while on your back with ease. |
Can you give an example of a technique?
I've never seen anyone submit a guy from the mount before.
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| If you know how to strike and bring out the power in those strikes a grappler should never be able to take you down.Remember a grappler has to go through your range and strikes to get to his range. |
Keep in mind most grapplers can strike as well, even if only to a limited extent. Most strikers can't grapple at all unless they've ever trained in grappling.
It's much harder to prevent being taken down than you think it is, put on some gloves against a grappler, and have him take you down while you just strike.
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jiu-jitsu fighter
Brown Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 606
Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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YOUVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE BEING SUBMITTED FROM MOUNT?
HOLY S**T , ARMBAR FROM MOUNT,KEYLOCK, TRAINGLE CHOKE(with arms, suffucating the guy with his own arm) , i find that hard to believe
i love being in mounted position, its just its very hard to get there
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omnifinite
Purple Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2002
Posts: 524
Location: Northern VA
Styles: Hapkido | Kempo | Jujitsu
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I've seen my instructor do a bunch of things to get a guy in the mount off of him... usually using pressure points (sometimes the guy can't get off fast enough  ).
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Tai Shan
White Belt
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Knock them out with the first strike....
If it becomes a "fight" (exchanging techniques) then you probably will end up on the ground, and your years of training has failed you. A REAL fight is too dynamic to predict, that's why it must end within 3 strikes. |
Off topic: I was just checking out your website (I live in the KC area myself), and those "knockout videos" are pretty amazing.
I've never seen anyone use that technique.  |
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unknown
Orange Belt
Joined: 20 Jun 2002
Posts: 209
Location: unknown
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| the "90% of fights end up on the ground theory" has been backed up with alot of concrete evidence. just ask the Gracies......they got alot of concrete evidence! |
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jiu-jitsu fighter
Brown Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 606
Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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whats that suppose to mean "unknown"?
there are other studies done by other people and organisations that will back that up
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LOILOI44
Orange Belt
Joined: 12 Jan 2003
Posts: 136
Location: New York
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to prevent fightinh in floor donot use your foot when attacking opponent. use only your hands and don't stay in a place. bjj teaches people to bring someone down when they are not in motion. whirlwind strike is a good technique to ese against a bjj  |
Yes, but Judo teaches you how to take down a person when they are moving. I think this whole arguement boils down to two issues, speed and training. If you train to stop a person who wants to go to the ground, and execute your technique quicker than they do; then you can prevent going to the ground. There have been whole threads about the 90% of all fights going to the ground:
http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1363
I won't go into it now, the thread pretty much covers it all. In order to be a good grappler, you have to know how to grapple. In order to beat a striker, you have to know how to strike. You need to train to be a well rounded martial artist. This is a fact which I think has not changed through out history. The difference is that people have made fighting more scientific and have tried to analyze it more. |
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on the post.
