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Safroot
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 22 Dec 2013
Posts: 911
Location: Sydney, Australia
Styles: Kyokushin
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 Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:26 am Post subject: Professional analysis |
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Hi Guys,
This is the " Kyokushin Karate 10th World Open FINAL "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voG_EKxP7F0
It's a strong interesting one .. for a beginner like me I would like to ask everyone for a professional analysis from an experienced MAtist for this match/game (eg: point of weakness & strength for each MAtsit, good/bad techniques, ....etc)
All your opinions are much appreciated in advance 
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16427
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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I don't know what it is that I was watching but I will say this: Ineffective techniques equals meaningless techniques. I don't know how the judges even determined anything, let alone a winner/loser of said match. Their bowing was about the only strong technique.
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Safroot
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 22 Dec 2013
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Location: Sydney, Australia
Styles: Kyokushin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
I don't know what it is that I was watching but I will say this: Ineffective techniques equals meaningless techniques. I don't know how the judges even determined anything, let alone a winner/loser of said match. Their bowing was about the only strong technique.
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That's exactly what I wanted to know .. this is the difference between a beginner & professional eye 
For me I still don't know how the good sparring is, so I have seen this as a strong one and your opinion was completely the opposite!!
So, What good sparring looks like ? Do you have any video showing good sparring so we can compare it to this one ?!!!
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16427
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Completely opposite of what I saw in your video link, which was completely absent of:
Transitions
Footwork
Posture
Balance
To name just a few important elements above that make up the totality of kumite.
Study your opponent
Study yourself
Make a plan
Carry the plan out
Not....walk up and trade rock n' sock em punches with an occasional kick!! Even the center judge was trying to get them separated so that they could engage in meaningful kumite.
For example...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oQ5ROZC4Yc
OR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufh6B-r_HOM
[Two of the best, imho]
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Harkon72
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Posts: 1875
Location: Wales
Styles: Okinawan Karate, Aikido, Ninpo.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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I find Kayokoshinkai Kumite strange looking at the best of times; it seems that they hit eachother with no attempt to block until one falls over; that's a simplistic over view; and I know there are better examples of the Kayokoshin style. The JKA example is something I relate more to and the second video by Sensei8 is a classic. You can argue that it's each to their own; but standing and taking it is a strange way to fight.
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Safroot
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 22 Dec 2013
Posts: 911
Location: Sydney, Australia
Styles: Kyokushin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
Completely opposite of what I saw in your video link, which was completely absent of:
Transitions
Footwork
Posture
Balance
To name just a few important elements above that make up the totality of kumite.
Study your opponent
Study yourself
Make a plan
Carry the plan out
Not....walk up and trade rock n' sock em punches with an occasional kick!! Even the center judge was trying to get them separated so that they could engage in meaningful kumite.
For example...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oQ5ROZC4Yc
OR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufh6B-r_HOM
[Two of the best, imho]
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YES I liked your first video ... anyway it will take e time till I become good in sparring so I can have the right assessment of any sparring video I watch .. It will be a long journey 
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Safroot
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Harkon72
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I watched the first video; I admit, even though my head tells me it's a mad system; my heart goes to confirm that these karateka are some of the toughest on the planet. Enough said.
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Safroot
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Harkon72 wrote: |
| my heart goes to confirm that these karateka are some of the toughest on the planet |
If you check the last one you will be 100% sure of that.
Till now I can't imagine myself in a tournament and getting a kick in my head (with full force) and then who knows what will happen to everything inside it ! 
Such injuries are very serious ... not sure how they survive it ... but I still love this style and anyway it will take me ages to be able to compete in a tournament (in case I decided to do so)
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Safroot
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I watched the first video |
The instructors in the first video are direct/first line students of Mas Oyama so you can say that this is the closest to the origin
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