|
|
| Author |
Message |
ninjanurse
KF VIP
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Posts: 6154
Location: Upstate NY
Styles: TKD;Shotokan;JuJitsu;Tai Ji
|
 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |
 |
|
We have set penalties for being late, dropping your weapon, etc. , but I wouldn't say we use push ups for punishment-classroom motivation is a better way of putting it. It is a good way to improve their fitness as well as remind them of the discipline required in the martial arts.
_________________
"A Black Belt is only the beginning."
Heidi-A student of the arts
Tae Kwon Do,Shotokan,Ju Jitsu,Modern Arnis
http://the100info.tumblr.com/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Harlan
Orange Belt
Joined: 30 Aug 2004
Posts: 171
Location: Massachusetts
Styles: Goju Ryu, Matayoshi kobudo, beginner
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
Punishment isn't the same as correction. The teacher's job is to teach, and make corrections. Corrections on physical form and technique. And if you are really lucky and they give a darn about you, corrections involving the intangibles for the long haul. That would involve mindset, attitudes, conduct that will pave the way for further learning. Basically, a 'well-rounded education' in the particular art.
Punishment, either physical (pushups, kicks, runs, etc.) or non-physical (shunning, withholding rank, mental games, etc.), doesn't belong in a dojo. The basic assumption is that everyone is there to learn. So, if punishment comes into a dojo, then either the student shouldn't be there, or the sensei.
_________________
Leaves fall. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rateh
Red Belt
Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 848
Location: USA
Styles: WTF Taekwondo
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'd never consider shunning or mental games punishment. I consider that to be complete immaturity of the person doing that, and he or she should NOT be in any sort of position of authority.
Withholding rank for poor behavior, when the student clearly knows that good behavior is a requirement to advance in rank, is not a punishment either imho. It is simply enforcing the guidelines set in place to advance in rank, just like not letting a student test who doesn't know their form.
I DO give push-ups to students, as a reminder of appropriate behavior. I never have, and never will give push-ups, verbal reprimands, or discussions with a student about their inappropirate behavior in anger. Letting any anger have ANY play in how you relate to students, imho, is completely inappropriate.
Also, students who are given push-ups should be told exactly what behavior it was that they are doing push-ups for. Focusing on the specific behavior, not on the student being a "bad egg" or any such concept. It is also important to specifically explain to the student what types of behaviors you ARE looking for, as well as praising students for the behavior you are looking for. (Especially in a student who was just punished/reprimanded/you had a personal discussion with)
_________________
Your present circumstances don't determine where you can go; they merely determine where you start. - Nido Qubein |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joesteph
Black Belt
Joined: 11 Aug 2008
Posts: 2753
Location: USA
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Rateh wrote: |
Withholding rank for poor behavior, when the student clearly knows that good behavior is a requirement to advance in rank, is not a punishment either imho. It is simply enforcing the guidelines set in place to advance in rank, just like not letting a student test who doesn't know their form.
|
I was glad to see this observation by you, Rateh, especially in that it can be applied to adults as well as children (and teens are "young adults" to me).
I've had incidents with a fellow adult student who's three levels above me, and I've never backed down from him. In each instance, it was clear who the instigator was, and the action taken was "defusing" (such as separation and repeating the rules), which I thought inadequate and only encouraged the bully (as I see him) that there are no "real" repurcussions.
I was very much taken aback when I discovered that, after certain incidents, he was permitted to take his next test, acknowledging his technique ability but not his "martial arts virtues" (the philosophy the art supposedly incorporates/stands for).
Since those times that I have asserted myself, he keeps clear of me. However, if it were up to me, these incidents would have had me tell him that he could not take his next test at the scheduled time, in that he had displayed a "lack" or "deficiency" of what was expected other than how to break someone's bones.
Sometimes, I believe an instructor knows better how to deal with kids than adults, the latter who are theoretically mature and would require no "disciplining."
_________________
~ Joe
Vee Arnis Jitsu/JuJitsu |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
white owl
Black Belt
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 1642
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Styles: shotokan
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| white owl wrote: |
| We use physical punishment like push-ups, burpees or wall sits. |
I should make myself a little clearer. We use physical punishment for being late for class, yawning, told repeatedly to listen. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wa-No-Michi
Brown Belt
Joined: 29 Sep 2008
Posts: 643
Styles: JKF Wado-Kai
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I may be going over old ground here, but I don't see any reason to punish students - physically or otherwise - I don't think it is part of an instructors job.
Quite frankly, students are there to learn and if they don't want to learn we ask them to leave. Karate Dojos are not Kindergartens or correctional boot camps.
There are not enough dojo hours to teach Karate properly let alone having to waste time administering punishments.
WNM
_________________
"A lot of people never use their initiative.... because no-one told them to" - Banksy
www.banksy.co.uk |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16425
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
My very own Sensei/Dai-Soke SCREAMED VERY LOUD at me once when I was a kid, plus, I was suspended from the Dojo. What did I do? I put his belt on! BTW, I deserved it!
Funny how we're talking about what we would do and what we wouldn't do when it comes to punishment.
Even though a Dojo isn't the same thing as a public schools, K-12,...or are they? Both teach students. Yet, when a public school passes out its punishment; that's ok! Look at your childs Student Handbook once. You'd be surprised what's being enforced by your child's school. Some school punishment is severe.
For example, in the state of Texas, corporal punishment by the principal or the vice-principal are protected by law. What does this mean? A principal or a vice-principal DON'T need parent/guardian permission to use corporal punishment. In that, there's nothing a parent can do when their child is spanked!
_________________
**Proof is on the floor!!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The BB of C
Black Belt
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 1264
Location: Orlando, Florida
Styles: Kuk Sool Won, Isshin-ryu, Capoeira, Brazillian Jiu Jutsu, Judo
|
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I think I am going to move to Texas lol |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tiger1962
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 1100
Location: U.S.A.
Styles: Former SBD; interest in all training styles.
|
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
In my old school, kids who misbehaved were punished with either push-ups, sitting out of class or something similar.
I don't recall any adults being punished but there were a couple incidents where a couple of adult students had disagreements with each other. Nothing as bad as an actual fight though.
_________________
"Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Dilbert |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
on the post.
