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ivette_green
Blue Belt
Joined: 20 May 2005
Posts: 253
Location: Canada
Styles: Kyokushin
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| You blow my mind White Warlock. My hat off to you. |
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White Warlock
Black Belt
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
Posts: 2662
Styles: See my Intro
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. Plenty others brought good points forward. It's what makes a good community.
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elbows_and_knees
Black Belt
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
Posts: 1795
Styles: thai boxing, grappling
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Sam wrote: |
| yeah good post - also why fight it - it does you personally no harm.... they're not stealing your students.... because the sort of people that stay at mcdojos are unlikely to want to train as hard or as much as you do..... wheat from the chaff so to speak. |
In most cases. There is a known McSchool / cult known by various names - shaolin do, oom young doe, chung moo quan... and from what I hear (an acquaintance of mine used to train with them) the training was very intense. However, what they taught was crap.
The thing with mcschools is that the public wants them. For this reason, they will never go out of business. No amount of education can change that. My question, is why do so many of you care about them? I can guarantee you that the owners of those schools aren't plotting to put all legit schools out of business. They just let us be, because they know that they will still have students. You should be the same way. |
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MasterH
Green Belt
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 477
Location: Pacific Northwest
Styles: Hwa-Rang TKD, ITF, ATA TKD
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Putting McDojos out of Business |
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Who's with me??? If I ever become rich or famous (I will actually work very hard towards it), I want to put out all of those crappy McDojos, watered-down, useless beliefs and crap out of business, one by one.
They are truly a disgrace to real Martial Arts. |
Never happen. They have the money, they have the political drive. All you have is your moral stand. You loose.
Me? I'll take care of my own little corner of the world and try and get allong with everyone.
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Enviroman
Green Belt
Joined: 06 Jul 2005
Posts: 362
Location: Suburb of Philly.
Styles: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo and Aikido
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Putting McDojos out of Business |
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| MasterH wrote: |
| Infrazael wrote: |
Who's with me??? If I ever become rich or famous (I will actually work very hard towards it), I want to put out all of those crappy McDojos, watered-down, useless beliefs and crap out of business, one by one.
They are truly a disgrace to real Martial Arts. |
Never happen. They have the money, they have the political drive. All you have is your moral stand. You loose.
Me? I'll take care of my own little corner of the world and try and get allong with everyone. |
McDojo is the perfect term for those kind og schools. They serve up greasy, filling but unsatisfying, "food" that caters to a group of people that want to be a black belt and don't care about fees, tradition, or anything other than achieving their goal. As long as there's a market there will be a McDojo. |
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MasterH
Green Belt
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 477
Location: Pacific Northwest
Styles: Hwa-Rang TKD, ITF, ATA TKD
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Putting McDojos out of Business |
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| Enviroman wrote: |
| MasterH wrote: |
| Infrazael wrote: |
Who's with me??? If I ever become rich or famous (I will actually work very hard towards it), I want to put out all of those crappy McDojos, watered-down, useless beliefs and crap out of business, one by one.
They are truly a disgrace to real Martial Arts. |
Never happen. They have the money, they have the political drive. All you have is your moral stand. You loose.
Me? I'll take care of my own little corner of the world and try and get allong with everyone. |
McDojo is the perfect term for those kind og schools. They serve up greasy, filling but unsatisfying, "food" that caters to a group of people that want to be a black belt and don't care about fees, tradition, or anything other than achieving their goal. As long as there's a market there will be a McDojo. |
If you say so. I try not to generalize, being I'm a member of a small org school, and a former member of a big org school. I have seen both sides of the arguement.
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yamesu
Green Belt
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Posts: 457
Location: Oceania <-> Asia
Styles: Kyokushinkai. JediMantre.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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A big organization/school is not neccissarily a McDojo.
Its the teaching methods and BB production lines which make them McDojos.
There is a karate school local to me which runs one of those 'little ninja' programs, and pumps out BB's like theres no tomorrow.
I call it K.F.C.
Karate Fundamentally changed for Children.
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Enviroman
Green Belt
Joined: 06 Jul 2005
Posts: 362
Location: Suburb of Philly.
Styles: Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo and Aikido
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| yamesu wrote: |
A big organization/school is not neccissarily a McDojo.
Its the teaching methods and BB production lines which make them McDojos.
There is a karate school local to me which runs one of those 'little ninja' programs, and pumps out BB's like theres no tomorrow.
I call it K.F.C.
Karate Fundamentally changed for Children. |
Mmmmm, KFC. See it all falls back to greasy fast food. 
Seriously, you're correct. Most schools will alter their advancement requirements for children. I understand that belts are important to keep children focused and involved but should a 1st Kyu brown belt (child) really know only 3/4 of the forms that an adult brown belt knows? Seems like KFC to me. |
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lapulid2
Yellow Belt
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
Posts: 87
Location: Houston
Styles: Hapkido
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| if you study hard and are tested by an accredited council, then no matter what dojang you train in, you will be successful in your art. by the same token, if you train in an ultra exclusive dojang and slack off, then you the student, and not the dojang, have created a Mcdojang environment. if training with children is a turn off then i understand it could be restricting and may perhaps influence your progress. most schools, however, seperated sessions into age groups. from a buddhist temple in China to national martial arts chains... a slacker will always be a slaker and a good student will always find a way to succeed. |
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MasterH
Green Belt
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 477
Location: Pacific Northwest
Styles: Hwa-Rang TKD, ITF, ATA TKD
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OK now I'm posting this because it made me laugh, and I hope you'all find some humor in it as well.
The top 10 reasons you might be in a McDojo:
10. You instructor has a Grandmasters Certificate. In Crayon.
9. The Senior Assistant Instructor is a 4 year old black belt.
8. The sign in the window says the school trains in more than
10 martial arts.
7. Its a Korean art. {g}
[MasterH Note: HEY!!]
6. Your instructor tries to sell you Amway products.
5. While examining the schools tournament trophies, you find
3 for spelling bees.
4. Reading the contract for the school is considered a kata
(and a long one at that).
3. No one sweats.
2. While at a tournament, your opponent finds out who your
teacher is and high-fives his teacher.
1. When paying for your belt examinations, the instructor asks:
"Do you want fries with that?"
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