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orion82698
Brown Belt
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
Posts: 707
Location: Gym
Styles: Barking Spider
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I don't want to put them outta business, just add a nice "buyer Beware" to their front doors.
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kivikala
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Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Posts: 135
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| I've had to deal with McDojos since the day one. Back then I hated them, I wanted them wiped from the face of the earth. Well, that wasn't going to happen. I came to realize that they can be of use to me. Their advertising helps me as much as it helps them. I saved thousands of dollars thanks to their ads! They are a constant source of students (amazing how the dissatisfied found themselves on my doorstep). And without them what would be my source of free amusement? So there is a place in the food chain for them. |
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Muaythaiboxer
Brown Belt
Joined: 31 Jan 2005
Posts: 683
Location: kansas
Styles: teakwondo judo muaythai boxing wresling kung-fu
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Bravo!!!
when i was a little kid i started in wrestling (thank goodness) and when my parents put me in a mcdojo i remember thinking, where are the push ups? where are the wind sprints? and i left and went on to better things.
Mcdojos give me coutless one time sparing partners and some great friends whom now train in legetiment arts.
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Eric_
Yellow Belt
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 99
Location: Wisconsin, US
Styles: Kenpo, Kobudo
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Aye, but there is an issue here, in that it has presented a societal measuring tool. A means to 'gauge' whether someone is 'qualified' to teach or not. This is where the problem lies, for it also presents an 'accepted' norm by which persons can shop. And this falls well into the lap of the unscrupulous. In a way it adds one more avenue for the 'problem people,' as you put it, to exploit.
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I agree fully. But the problem isn't whether or not McDojos are in business, it is a matter of using a piece of cloth for certification. What we need is a standardization of certification within the martial arts. We have orginizations that allow consumers to verify the rank and skill of instructors, but only within the organization's own specific style, and not all styles have such organizations, and not all respectable schools belong to their style's respective association. Basically, what we need to combat these McDojos is a martial arts equivalent of the bar associations to which lawyers must adhere. We are an unreggulated industry, and changing that by creating a national (but not style specific) standard is the only sure way to restore integrity to our arts. |
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Mr. Mike
Brown Belt
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Posts: 652
Location: DFW Texas
Styles: IKCA Chinese Kenpo
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brava...I never thought of it like that...
what a paperework mess that would be, eh?
another problem is that as with any organization, it will tend to corrupt. Something like the bar is easy...the laws of the nations are written in clear and concise copies. That isn't true for most of the schools/styles/arts out there. Think of the MA industry as a sort of pre 1776 usa. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. If we wanted to standardize it, we would have way too many wars to wage...both paper and otherwise.
Personally, I think that if we are talking teaching here, then we should promote a ntaionally accredited teaching course, or at least something industry specific...much in the way of the Kovar's Instructor Training Program.
Eric_, I think you already know a bit of something about that, as you are well on your way to getting your teaching certificate and hopefully someday running your own school within the bylaws of the IKCA.
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Eric_
Yellow Belt
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 99
Location: Wisconsin, US
Styles: Kenpo, Kobudo
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Of course it wouldn't be easy. If it would be easy, someone would have done it already. Just think of pre-1776 U.S.A as pre-1776 U.S.A. It worked out fine for them (well, depending on your definition of "fine,' anyway). And Kovar's ITP is right along the lines of what I would like to see, but implemented as a nationaly recognized standard of instructor certification, working with, not above, existing heads of scools/styles/arts. And as far as corrupt organizations go, it's true, power corrupts (reference pervious parenthases), but it seems to be working for the IKCA very well, so maybe something a bit bigger could manage.
I appreciate your confidence in my potential as an instructor, and there is definitely a world-class martial arts school in store for Texas next year. |
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on the post.
