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xdylanw
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Styles: Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, MMA
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 Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Question for self defense |
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| I know that there are a million "what-if" questions out there, but this question seems the most practical when applying it to a street fight/self defense scenario. What if you're facing more than one opponent and your main fighting style is jiu jitsu? Jiu Jitsu does teach some striking, but i don't think that it is enough to say that one could be profficient at standing up and fighting. In a fight, if a jiu jitsu practitioner were to take someone to the ground, there is a high risk that one of the opponents "buddies" could easily capitalize on this and attack also. So what is the best method for dealing with multiple enemies when running or talking it out aren't options. |
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cross
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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In self defense, you need to be proficient at all ranges, including on the ground. Mainly because you wont always be the one who dictates if the fight remains standing or not. However with good ground skills you will be able to return to your feet much more quickly.
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| So what is the best method for dealing with multiple enemies when running or talking it out aren't options. |
talking it out and running generally become an option at some point during a situation, be it against 1 person or many.
If for whatever reason you feel that the situation is not getting any better, then striking first is an extremely important step to take. From there(and keep in mind that every situation is different so these are just some general guidelines) closing the gap and gaining control of one person whilst attacking their primary targets with your close range weapons is a fairly sensible option. Also whilst you have this control you can use this person to shied yourself.
Sortof hard to explain via the written word. Here is an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42B3172PoO4 |
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ps1
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Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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You're right. There are always a million "what if" scenarios. Let's start with the simple answer. If I was confronted by two attackers. Why would I take one to the ground when I know there is another one? That just doesn't make sense.
The problem is your assuming a Jiujitsu practitioner would do that. It's more likely that low line roundhouse kicks would be used to keep them at bay, along with stacking techniques to avoid them surrounding you. Keep looking for a way out.
I don't have alot of time right now. But that's a brief answer anyway.
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bushido_man96
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Styles: Taekwondo,Hapkido, SCA Combat, and I research Medieval Combat
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Cross makes some very good points. Regardless of the style you study, being faced by multiple attackers puts you at a disadvantage, regardless. You may be a great striker, but if someone wraps you up from behind, or bars one of your arms, then you are now only half the striker you were.
I think that the video summed up well when dealing with multiple attackers: you figure out how to manage them.
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ying&yang
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Question for self defense |
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| xdylanw wrote: |
| I know that there are a million "what-if" questions out there, but this question seems the most practical when applying it to a street fight/self defense scenario. What if you're facing more than one opponent and your main fighting style is jiu jitsu? Jiu Jitsu does teach some striking, but i don't think that it is enough to say that one could be profficient at standing up and fighting. In a fight, if a jiu jitsu practitioner were to take someone to the ground, there is a high risk that one of the opponents "buddies" could easily capitalize on this and attack also. So what is the best method for dealing with multiple enemies when running or talking it out aren't options. |
To answer your question i think that in that situation yous style does not help, and this should open your eyes to other possibilities. Say you were a multiple fighter then that situation would be easy, so again you should always learn as much as you can so you are always ready.
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Rainbow_Warrior
Blue Belt
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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Styles: Now : MMA/luta livre/Thai , before :Kung fu,kick boxing , boxing, amateur wrestling
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I think that this topic was discussed 100s of times in other threads , but ps1 was right :
The problem is your assuming a Jiujitsu practitioner would do that.
Any grappler can throw and smash against concrete. Any grappler cand take down the enemy , pound and get up quickly ( or just stay on his feet )
You dont need to be in the floor.
I remember this question being asked to the great Roiler ( or one of his multiple RRRelatives) once in an interview and he said that Jujiutsu is a natural and logical approach to the figtht ,so they NEVER teach you to go to the ground in ALL the cases...
And bjj DO have strikes , but like in judo.... they are not the centre of the art...and not the bestest strikes in the MA world. BUt a ´´bjj only ´´ guy with common sense can strike in a decent way...more if the attackers are punks.
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Question for self defense |
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| ying&yang wrote: |
| Say you were a multiple fighter then that situation would be easy, so again you should always learn as much as you can so you are always ready. |
What is a "multiple fighter?"
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ying&yang
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Question for self defense |
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| Say you were a multiple fighter then that situation would be easy, so again you should always learn as much as you can so you are always ready. |
What is a "multiple fighter?" |
Sorry im using old terminology, a multiple fighter is someone that trains to be able to take on 5 + opponents. there full purpose is to engage and take apart 5 opponents in seconds. It is all speed and style work, not strength.
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bushido_man96
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I have not seen such practitioners. Even training to do so, it is never going to be a foolproof attempt to take on multiple attackers; the movies do a good job of portraying this, but in real life, it is much different.
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ying&yang
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| I have not seen such practitioners. Even training to do so, it is never going to be a foolproof attempt to take on multiple attackers; the movies do a good job of portraying this, but in real life, it is much different. |
Yes that is true about the movies, but i have seen people do it and i am one of them. Im not saying take on multiple opponents if u are not experienced other wise that would be stupid.
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