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Johnlogic121
Orange Belt
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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Styles: Montgomery Style Karate, Ninjutsu, Isshinryu, Judo, Mang Chaun Kung Fu, Kempo
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 Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Randori helps Sparring |
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"Randori" is a Japanese exercise that is a prelude to sparring. Randori really helps the sparring endeavor, but it is not as common in the United States as it perhaps should be. In Randori exercises, one person makes a certain number of attacks to begin against a partner who preforms any applicable defense, usually blocking but dodging is also acceptable. Then the second person immediately attacks the first with the predetermined number of strikes and the first person defends. This goes back and forth in a controlled manner for the duration of the exercise. Generally, you have 1-step randori to start, in which one attack is made, and then you go to two-step and three-step randori. Advanced students take it to four-step and five-step randori, but going beyond this is rare. In Judo, randori is done by throwing the opponent, usually in the 1-step format. To make randori even easier for beginners, you can have the attacker make his controlled attack with the understanding that it will touch and then make his attack again with the understanding that the other person will block or dodge. Thus, that way, you know what is coming clearly. How many people here do randori? It really helps sparring. How many people think they are going to give it a try for the first time? Just curious!
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Throwdown0850
Green Belt
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 422
Styles: Kodokan Judo, Enshin Karate
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That is ALL I do in Kodokan is Randori free practice.. Sparring is great for any martial art, even a need in most..
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 13977
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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I always understood randori to be "free" practice, and not prearranged. We do what are called one-steps, that are prearranged, and then work up to free sparring.
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The BB of C
Brown Belt
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 666
Location: New York
Styles: Cannon Style, Kuk Sool Won, Isshin-ryu, Capoeira
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According to what I've studied of Aikido, Randori is not predetermined. One or more people run full speed at you and they are allowed to do anything they want and you are to counter with anything you want.
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marie curie
KF Sempai
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
Posts: 1021
Location: PA, USA
Styles: Ko Sutemi Seiei Kan Karate, Kajukenbo, Kodokan Judo, Gracie Barra Jiu-Jitsu, Olympic Tae Kwon Doe
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I'm pretty sure most people do randori in Judo, but in my school, it is just cooperative- if someone really starts to get a throw, you allow them to continue to practice the motions.
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1713
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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I think you may be a bit mixed up. Randori does not/should not have a prearranged pattern. In Judo it's free practice where one person tries to get their throw on another. Randori isn't usually used in Karate forms. Instead, they usually use the word Kumite.
As Kumite is a general word for sparring or fighting, several types were established:
1. Ippon Kumite- the opponent typically throws an attack and it is immediately defended. However, the movements are completely predetermined.
2. Sanbon Kumite- three techniques are thrown by the uki (sometimes they are pre determined and sometimes they are not). The Tori blocks/evades the three techniques and counters.
3. Kiso Kumite- A word I rarely hear utilized, it refers to kumite drawn directly from kata. More commonly you will hear the words bunkai and oyo used for this type of kumite practice.
4. Jiyu Kumite- this is free sparring, what Judo would call randori. The attacks are not predetermined and neither are the defenses.
I hope this was helpful.
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ying&yang
Purple Belt
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 513
Location: melbourne
Styles: JKD , and 15 others
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Yes i think that it is a great way of training, and everyone should do it some time during their MA experience.
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 988
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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You are mixing up your terms. Randori is sparring- not prearranged or anything. And yes, I do train judo in Japan.
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on the post.
