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SoulAssassin
Orange Belt
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 131
Location: Pennsylvania
Styles: MMA
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 11:32 am Post subject: Registering as a Lethal weapon |
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I hear about this, I have seen it, is it right? Is it true? I remember at my old Martial Arts School people from the "Gov't" would stop in and collect the names of students that recived a blackbelt and they would have to sign some paper stating they were a lethal weapon and could not fight anywhere outside of the ring, mat or sanctioned event (being tournys or practicing in a dojo) If you did fight it would have to be total self defense with reasonable use of force. Meaning some guy swings and you put him in an armbar you cant brek his arm but you can try to talk him out of fighting etc..... Anyone else have incounters as these? _________________ -SoulAssassin
"I aint gonna eat, I aint gonna sleep, aint gonna breath till I see what I wanna see and what I wanna see is you goto asleep, in the dirt permanently" |
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karate_woman
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Posts: 863
Location: Ontario Canada
Styles: Kickboxing,Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate, Judo, JuJitsu,T'ai Chi, QiGong
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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It is apparently a myth . Check here at Legal Beagles.
http://www.tafkac.org/faq2k/legal_2007.html
There is also a theory I found on this website: http://www.eemaworld.com/herrmanthesis.htm
that says the myth may have started because black belts in Japan are registered so no-one can claim to be a black belt when they aren't.
Really makes you wonder exactly who was coming to your dojo and getting the black belts to sign these papers...a buddy of the dojo owner perhaps, as a way to emphasize that the skills shouldn't be taken lightly? _________________ The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
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SoulAssassin
Orange Belt
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 131
Location: Pennsylvania
Styles: MMA
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Well the owner of the dojo was asian and slightly older. but the main trainer was, or i was lead to believe, american. I remember seeing a tattoo behind his right ear and a tattoo on the inside of his left arm. the one on the left arm had something to do with a sword and some writing. maybe they worked for the gov't and tried to induct the black belts into the military or other gov't agencys but seriously if you read my other posts about the dojo and the way we trained it sorta seems like a cult or something _________________ -SoulAssassin
"I aint gonna eat, I aint gonna sleep, aint gonna breath till I see what I wanna see and what I wanna see is you goto asleep, in the dirt permanently" |
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Kamidake
Orange Belt
Joined: 13 Apr 2003
Posts: 155
Location: U. S. A.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. What next, registering people who have BO or bad breath? |
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Tigerclaw
Yellow Belt
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Posts: 27
Location: Frankfort.KY
Styles: Kiyojute Ryu Kempo Bugei
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Yeah,its a myth,nobody has to register for anything. _________________ 3rd Kyu Brown Belt
To learn more about Kiyojute Ryu Kempo Bugei,goto http://www.kiyojuteryu.org/ |
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Davison
Blue Belt
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
Posts: 315
Location: Illinois
Styles: Hakko Denshinryu Jujutsu Kodokan Judo
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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lol _________________ Why punch someone when their on the ground when you can just kick them |
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Drunken Monkey
Black Belt
Joined: 10 Apr 2002
Posts: 3559
Location: bar italia
Styles: white chocolate profiteroles and natas....
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:36 am Post subject: |
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y'know, i think those who thinks they should be registered should be kept on a list of some sort...
_________________ post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are.
"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." |
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2279
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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If you get in a fight and you are sued for being a black belt, than schools should change the ranking system to something like stripes or polka dotted belts. Loop hole _________________ "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who
are willing to endure pain with patience."
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Warp Spider
Brown Belt
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Posts: 615
Location: The Origin of the Universe
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 3:18 am Post subject: |
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You might want to consider that not everyone on this board is from the same country. The laws will be different in most countries. In Canada, your foot is a deadly weapon, regardless of training, if it strikes another person's head. Breaking a person's arm is breaking a person's arm, whether you do it with an arm-bar or a crowbar.
Similarly, no law says you can't defend yourself with a submachine gun, if it's self defense, it's self defense. You would get charged for carrying the submachinegun, unless you had an appropriate license to do so, but not specifically for using it in self-defense.
"Self defense" is not a crime, it is a plea. You can be charged with anything, if it's self-defense, you'll be found not guilty. (in theory) The distinction with training only comes into play if you are determined to have been an antagonist and are found guilty of a crime, in which case whether your hands would be considered deadly weapons depends on whether or not the judge/jury felt you had the reasonable capacity to kill a person with your bare hands.. which most black belts probrably do.
I do believe that some places will register their black belts, as in case you ever flip out and start attacking people, it would help the police take appropriate action (likely opening fire or at least using batons) instead of attempting the takedowns that the police are trained in. (which are likely inferior to those a black belt would be practiced with.) _________________ Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God! |
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SoulAssassin
Orange Belt
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 131
Location: Pennsylvania
Styles: MMA
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Warp Spider wrote: |
You might want to consider that not everyone on this board is from the same country. The laws will be different in most countries. In Canada, your foot is a deadly weapon, regardless of training, if it strikes another person's head. Breaking a person's arm is breaking a person's arm, whether you do it with an arm-bar or a crowbar.
Similarly, no law says you can't defend yourself with a submachine gun, if it's self defense, it's self defense. You would get charged for carrying the submachinegun, unless you had an appropriate license to do so, but not specifically for using it in self-defense.
"Self defense" is not a crime, it is a plea. You can be charged with anything, if it's self-defense, you'll be found not guilty. (in theory) The distinction with training only comes into play if you are determined to have been an antagonist and are found guilty of a crime, in which case whether your hands would be considered deadly weapons depends on whether or not the judge/jury felt you had the reasonable capacity to kill a person with your bare hands.. which most black belts probrably do.
I do believe that some places will register their black belts, as in case you ever flip out and start attacking people, it would help the police take appropriate action (likely opening fire or at least using batons) instead of attempting the takedowns that the police are trained in. (which are likely inferior to those a black belt would be practiced with.) |
That was my thought, I agree fully. _________________ -SoulAssassin
"I aint gonna eat, I aint gonna sleep, aint gonna breath till I see what I wanna see and what I wanna see is you goto asleep, in the dirt permanently" |
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