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robodjs
Yellow Belt
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Posts: 36
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:49 pm Post subject: regular ju-jujitsu vs. brazilian ju-jitsu |
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| What are the differences and similarities between the two arts, and which one in your opinion is best for self-defense? Lastly how long does it take to get a black belt in each? |
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Smith & Wesson
Orange Belt
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 119
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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BJJ is way better than TJJ as everybody knows 
It(BJJ) is without a doubt the best fighting system ever devised !!!!
Hope this helps 
Unless......................nevermind  |
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SevenStar
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Posts: 2631
Location: TN
Styles: bjj, judo, shuai chiao, muay thai
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dunno about ranking in tjj, but bjj will take a while. it may be a year before you even leave white belt status. You will not even be considered for a promotion until you can keep up with the guys one belt higher than you most of the time, and beat them maybe 25% of the time. You really have to prove that you deserve the promotion. BJJ is one of the few arts I've seen that is like this.
as far as similarities, I don't think there are many, from what I've seen of tjj - tjj has striking, locking, throwing and groundwork, whereas bjj is really only takedowns, clinchwork and groundwork - it's a pure grappling style. very effective though. The training is intense and you really have to push yourself. It's great.
No reccomendation as to what you do for self defense. I personally would train bjj and a sport striking style. |
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Kyle-san
Brown Belt
Joined: 09 Sep 2002
Posts: 735
Location: Brandon, Manitoba
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| SevenStar wrote: |
| No reccomendation as to what you do for self defense. I personally would train bjj and a sport striking style. |
So you would take two styles to get the same training that one would give you?
As far as the ranking in TJJ, it all depends on the club. The Ketto Ryu Jujutsu dojo I was in gave me my yellow belt in 2 months, whereas the Aki Jujitsu dojo take at least 8 or 9 months to get to yellow (unless you're really ready before then). From what I keep hearing about BJJ ranking, grading, and training it sounds almost exactly what's done in Aki Jujitsu.
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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So you would take two styles to get the same training that one would give you?
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because no one is going to be better at groundwork than BJJ and no one is going to be better at striking tha a striking style like MT/Boxing etc.
Do you think TJJ could compete with a thai boxer standing? or a BJJ'er on the ground
I know what your saying and sometimes havinga single system has it's benefits...but i belive this is ost peoples reasoning. |
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Radok
Brown Belt
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 601
Location: Florida
Styles: Okinawan Shorin-ryu Karate-do
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Traditional JJ is a better rounded system, so for a single style to take, that one would be better.
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| Radok wrote: |
| Traditional JJ is a better rounded system, so for a single style to take, that one would be better. |
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yes the point was that MMA fighters will always be better than those who train in 1 single system despite how good it is.
Cross training is the key and that has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. |
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Kyle-san
Brown Belt
Joined: 09 Sep 2002
Posts: 735
Location: Brandon, Manitoba
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| TJS wrote: |
Do you think TJJ could compete with a thai boxer standing? or a BJJ'er on the ground
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Generally speaking, it's not likely that the TJJ student would be able to do as well in those specific situations. However, it depends on the style. I've seen some where the TJJ student is the equal of the BJJ student in grappling (for that area, anyway) AND able to stand up to a kickboxer/muay thai style striker.
But I do concede that generally it's not as specific as those two systems. Especially not for competitions.
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2263
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Submission Grappling, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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There's this 7 time Kumate Champ from the 70's that is Atemi Ryu Jujitsu, I don't have a link right now, it's easy to find. BJJ is great for competition where grappling is allowed, not so good standing. Muay Thai is brutle standing, but in a street fight, who knows, it comes down to the fighter, no matter what style. Tank Abbott has no style and he kicks *.
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| Treebranch wrote: |
| There's this 7 time Kumate Champ from the 70's that is Atemi Ryu Jujitsu, I don't have a link right now, it's easy to find. BJJ is great for competition where grappling is allowed, not so good standing. Muay Thai is brutle standing, but in a street fight, who knows, it comes down to the fighter, no matter what style. Tank Abbott has no style and he kicks *. |
Tank about went to a boxing Gym for 12 years and wrestled since he was a little kid all the way thru his 20's
..he calles him self a street fighter(and he is) but infact he has a very dangerous combo under his belt(boxing + wrestling). |
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on the post.
