|
|
| Author |
Message |
cathal
Black Belt
Joined: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1941
Location: Canada
Styles: Shotokan, Jiu-Jitsu, Ryukyu Kobujutsu
|
 Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: Scenario |
 |
|
What do you think you can do when someon about the same height grabs you around your neck from behind. Their other hand is holding something sharp and it is pressed against your lower back?
_________________
The best victory is when the opponent surrenders
of its own accord before there are any actual
hostilities...It is best to win without fighting.
- Sun-tzu |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
username8517
Green Belt
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Posts: 459
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Let me play with this scenario a bit tomorrow during work out and get back to you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 13977
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Realistically, you would give them what they want. If they want you to get into a vehicle and go somewhere with them, then you act.
Grab the arm choking you with both hands, drop into a half squat position, and throw them over your shoulder. Gotta be careful about that knife, though.
Elbows_and_knees can probably answer this one better than I, however.
_________________
Success is where preparation meets opportunity.
www.chiefswarpath.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
username8517
Green Belt
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Posts: 459
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well due to a sick child it looks like I won't be attending the workout tonight. I'll have to wait and try a few ideas I have running in my head out on Monday night.
However, bushido_man96 is right about giving them whatever they want. Realistically when someone confronts you with a weapon their either trying to kill you or intimidate you into giving up from the very start. If they succeed in wrapping one arm around your neck and the other holding a knife (or any other kind of weapon) to your back, then they're probably not aiming to kill you. If they were aiming to seriously damage or kill you, they would be able to get in a good couple of stabs before your brain even fully registered what was going on. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
username8517
Green Belt
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Posts: 459
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well after playing around with a few defense scenarios to this. Obviously you're in a bad situation, but here are a few of the better ones I tooled around with. <Note, this is assuming your assailant is holding the knife with their right hand and reaching across your neck with his left arm>
1). Take your right hand, shoot it back palm down, grab the hand holding the knife (the thumb being preferable), and shoot it back out to the side. This basically becomes a test of strength that should hopefully distract your opponent for a couple seconds and make him momentarily forget about the arm around your throat for a couple seconds while you quickly figure out what to do from there. I'm personally not really big on this one, but it did catch my partner off guard who knew I was going to do something.
2). Imagine your body is on a pivot straight down the middle. Quickly turn your body to the left (towards your assaulter's inside) while using your left arm to deflect the knife to the side. This should effectively put you in a CQC situation with your assailant grabbing your right side with their left arm and their knife likely coming in to your left side in a thrusting manner.
Neither way is a great defense, but at least it's something. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lordtariel
Black Belt
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 1709
Location: Oregon
Styles: (Past)Judo, Yang Family Tai Chi, (Current)Shito-Ryu Karate, Kobudo(Tonfajitsu)
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'll have to think about this one. If someone's your height and has their arm around your neck, they're going to be too close to actually stab directly at your back. More likely, the weapon would be able to stab the side and corner of your back. The only way they would be able to hold it to your back if they were standing perpendicular to you. I'll have to think on it a bit.
_________________
There's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KamasandSais
Blue Belt
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
Posts: 309
Styles: karate tae kwon do and jujitsu
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Id say, on this one make sure you can breathe then listen to Bushido. He's usually right. 
_________________
"Sword-Chucks yo."
| bushido_man96 wrote: |
| Yes, thanks a lot guys. Hey, kamasandsais, that was something that you knew that I did not!! |
<---blackmail hahahahhaha bushido |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 13977
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| KamasandSais wrote: |
| Id say, on this one make sure you can breathe then listen to Bushido. He's usually right. |
Bah!
Bearich made some good stabs at this scenario (pardon the pun!); however, this is always difficult, when you face a weapon. The first concern should be controlling the weapon arm, and getting into position to do that. Also, get it in your head that you will get cut.
_________________
Success is where preparation meets opportunity.
www.chiefswarpath.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cathal
Black Belt
Joined: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1941
Location: Canada
Styles: Shotokan, Jiu-Jitsu, Ryukyu Kobujutsu
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yes there's some good thoughts on here. I'm going to play around with this one as well.
_________________
The best victory is when the opponent surrenders
of its own accord before there are any actual
hostilities...It is best to win without fighting.
- Sun-tzu |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 13977
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
|
| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
I may work on them this weekend with my brother as well. He has a knack for these things.
_________________
Success is where preparation meets opportunity.
www.chiefswarpath.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
on the post.
