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Shotokan-Karate
Yellow Belt
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Styles: Shotokan Karate
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 Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: Shotokan Karate to Judo |
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What are the pros about them both and cons (list like Pros: blah blah blah Cons: blah blah blah) Respectfully,
Jay 
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Menjo
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Shotokan Karate to Judo |
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| Shotokan-Karate wrote: |
What are the pros about them both and cons (list like Pros: blah blah blah Cons: blah blah blah) Respectfully,
Jay |
Depends on you, depends on your instructor, depends on your location(Different countries train differently).
Just depends on training!
Good luck.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 13452
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: Shotokan to judo |
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Shotokan: Pros..kicking and striking, standup sparring, footwork, forms and self-defense applications.
Judo: Pros..takedowns and throwing, ground game, chokes, locks, submissions.
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cathal
Black Belt
Joined: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1941
Location: Canada
Styles: Shotokan, Jiu-Jitsu, Ryukyu Kobujutsu
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Those are two good styles to learn together.
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Ace2021
Blue Belt
Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 279
Location: Texas
Styles: Kyokushin Karate, Brazilian Jujitsu, Mixed Martial Arts
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Basic:
Karate Pros: Striking
Karate Cons: Groundwork/ Grappling / Wrestling
Judo Pros: Grappling/Wrestling
Judo Cons: Striking
Ironic isn't it?
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lordtariel
Black Belt
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 1709
Location: Oregon
Styles: (Past)Judo, Yang Family Tai Chi, (Current)Shito-Ryu Karate, Kobudo(Tonfajitsu)
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Shotokan: Can be practiced by yourself anywhere
Judo: Primarily practiced only with a partner on mats. In early training you must have an advanced student or instructor with you as well.
As other people have said, one's primarily a striking art, the other's a grappling art. I recommend getting some training in both if you're looking to train for self defense. I found I was more injury prone in Judo, but it probably really depends on the person and the class.
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css1971
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Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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Styles: There is only Karate, there are no styles.
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Karate Cons: Groundwork/ Grappling / Wrestling
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Karate is a mixed martial art which includes grappling, throws, locks, chokes, strangles. As well as strikes. It always has been. If you're not practicing it that way you're practicing kickboxing, not karate.
e.g.
http://www.iainabernethy.com/books/chapter_karates_grappling_methods.asp
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 1709
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Karate Cons: Groundwork/ Grappling / Wrestling
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Karate is a mixed martial art which includes grappling, throws, locks, chokes, strangles. As well as strikes. It always has been. If you're not practicing it that way you're practicing kickboxing, not karate. |
I agree that Karate does contain grappling, throws, locks, and so on. However, since training in an art that specializes in those techniques (Aiki Jujitsu and Brazilian Jiujitsu) Karate's way of applying them uses more energy than is necessary sometimes. Afterall, traditional Kodokan Judo contains punches and kicks...but it's still the weak part of the system. Karate teaches the throws and whatnot...but they are still the weakest part of most Karate systems.
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italian_guy
Black Belt
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Posts: 1433
Location: Italy
Styles: Goju ryu karate (Shodan)
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Karate Cons: Groundwork/ Grappling / Wrestling
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Karate is a mixed martial art which includes grappling, throws, locks, chokes, strangles. As well as strikes. It always has been. If you're not practicing it that way you're practicing kickboxing, not karate. |
I agree that Karate does contain grappling, throws, locks, and so on. However, since training in an art that specializes in those techniques (Aiki Jujitsu and Brazilian Jiujitsu) Karate's way of applying them uses more energy than is necessary sometimes. Afterall, traditional Kodokan Judo contains punches and kicks...but it's still the weak part of the system. Karate teaches the throws and whatnot...but they are still the weakest part of most Karate systems. |
I do not agree, karate is 70% striking and 30% grappling, we may not have all the option that a Jodoka, BJJ or JJJ has but we have our thows/armlock and ground work arsenal and we practice it. |
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Yasutsune Makoto
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Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Styles: Shotokan
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Karate Cons: Groundwork/ Grappling / Wrestling
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Karate is a mixed martial art which includes grappling, throws, locks, chokes, strangles. As well as strikes. It always has been. If you're not practicing it that way you're practicing kickboxing, not karate. |
I agree that Karate does contain grappling, throws, locks, and so on. However, since training in an art that specializes in those techniques (Aiki Jujitsu and Brazilian Jiujitsu) Karate's way of applying them uses more energy than is necessary sometimes. Afterall, traditional Kodokan Judo contains punches and kicks...but it's still the weak part of the system. Karate teaches the throws and whatnot...but they are still the weakest part of most Karate systems. |
I do not agree, karate is 70% striking and 30% grappling, we may not have all the option that a Jodoka, BJJ or JJJ has but we have our thows/armlock and ground work arsenal and we practice it. |
that depends on your style and your instructor.
they are great to cross-train together and i think that the weaknesses of one are the strengths of the other, as has been pointed out. I have studied both for most of my life and have only seen good things come of it.
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