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daizyblackbelt
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Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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shihan mack is my sensei's sensei. i see him regularly at tournaments.
so far as i know, which is pretty well as i am an intsructor at my school, he has not added any more pinan katas beyond the traditional 5. |
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deshi
White Belt
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Posts: 1
Styles: doshinkan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| daizyblackbelt wrote: |
soshin (so-SHEEN) is the first in a line of shudokan katas which are:
-soshin
-kakoshin
-choshin
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What would the translations be for each? Thanks |
I have learned the kanji for each, but since my mother tongue is neither
Japanese nor English, I can only try to hint at a translation:
"shin" is written in all three cases with the character also pronounced as
"kokoro", meaning "heart/mind"
"so" is the character which the online Kanji dictionary translates as "principle"
or "prime (number)", I understand it also as "essential, without any additions",
so maybe soshin = essential mind
"kaku" (not kako) means to wake up, like in "alarm clock"
so maybe kakushin = awake(ned) mind
"cho" is written like in "to clear, to become transparent"
so maybe choshin = clear/pure heart/mind
the idea is that of a lake without ripplings so that you can see
through to the ground
I have been taught the kanji by my hanshi, but possible errors
in the attempts at translation are mine
I hope this helps.
Best regards to all readers (this is my first post in this forum).
deshi |
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legkicker
Orange Belt
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Posts: 130
Styles: knockdown karate and muay thai
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| daizyblackbelt wrote: |
shihan mack is my sensei's sensei. i see him regularly at tournaments.
so far as i know, which is pretty well as i am an intsructor at my school, he has not added any more pinan katas beyond the traditional 5. |
That's good to hear, I'm going to ask my friend about it but she seemd pretty adamant about a pinan roku-jyu. |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| deshi wrote: |
| patusai wrote: |
| daizyblackbelt wrote: |
soshin (so-SHEEN) is the first in a line of shudokan katas which are:
-soshin
-kakoshin
-choshin
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What would the translations be for each? Thanks |
I have learned the kanji for each, but since my mother tongue is neither
Japanese nor English, I can only try to hint at a translation:
"shin" is written in all three cases with the character also pronounced as
"kokoro", meaning "heart/mind"
"so" is the character which the online Kanji dictionary translates as "principle"
or "prime (number)", I understand it also as "essential, without any additions",
so maybe soshin = essential mind
"kaku" (not kako) means to wake up, like in "alarm clock"
so maybe kakushin = awake(ned) mind
"cho" is written like in "to clear, to become transparent"
so maybe choshin = clear/pure heart/mind
the idea is that of a lake without ripplings so that you can see
through to the ground
I have been taught the kanji by my hanshi, but possible errors
in the attempts at translation are mine
I hope this helps.
Best regards to all readers (this is my first post in this forum).
deshi |
Welcome to the forums! Glad to have you. 
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patusai
Black Belt
Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Posts: 1648
Location: Palos Hills, IL
Styles: So Ryu, Shorin Ryu, Isshin Ryu
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[quote="bushido_man96
I have learned the kanji for each, but since my mother tongue is neither
Japanese nor English, I can only try to hint at a translation:
"shin" is written in all three cases with the character also pronounced as
"kokoro", meaning "heart/mind"
"so" is the character which the online Kanji dictionary translates as "principle"
or "prime (number)", I understand it also as "essential, without any additions",
so maybe soshin = essential mind
"kaku" (not kako) means to wake up, like in "alarm clock"
so maybe kakushin = awake(ned) mind
"cho" is written like in "to clear, to become transparent"
so maybe choshin = clear/pure heart/mind
the idea is that of a lake without ripplings so that you can see
through to the ground
I have been taught the kanji by my hanshi, but possible errors
in the attempts at translation are mine
I hope this helps.
Best regards to all readers (this is my first post in this forum).
deshi[/quote]
Welcome to the forums! Glad to have you. [/quote]
Thank you. I kinda get the Shin part. Soshin could translate to Complete Heart (So can mean complete or all. Although, I don't know for sure. So can mean many things. I guess a Shudokan specialist would need to answer this one to be sure.
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Sojiro47
White Belt
Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Posts: 10
Location: Yakima, Wa
Styles: Shudokan Karate Do
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| That's good to hear, I'm going to ask my friend about it but she seemd pretty adamant about a pinan roku-jyu. |
I train under Shihan Morris Mack, and I will second the fact that there are only 5 pinans. Shudokan only has 5.
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daizyblackbelt
Yellow Belt
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 78
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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for those of you who were interested, i'm sorry i haven't posted videos.
i've been down with a case of mono and unable to do pretty much anything. I'm FINALLY starting to recover so hopefully i'll get something up eventually.
sojiro, always good to see another shudokan parctitioner. there aren't too many of us! |
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Sojiro47
White Belt
Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Posts: 10
Location: Yakima, Wa
Styles: Shudokan Karate Do
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just wondering, but how many of you out there do a Kata called Nana Ju Shi?
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daizyblackbelt
Yellow Belt
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 78
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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aaaaaah, nana ju shi!
I learned that one up in yakima from shihan mack and one of his sons. I think it was Marlin?
very similar in many ways to gojushiho, but much different also. i wish i could remember it, but i only picked it up very briefly. |
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Sojiro47
White Belt
Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Posts: 10
Location: Yakima, Wa
Styles: Shudokan Karate Do
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Yeah, I was at that seminar. Sensei Marlin, Sensei Toby and Shihon Mack taught it. I was Ichi Kyu when I learned it. I was wondering because I was at one of our tests when some of the participants used it as a test Kata, so I wanted to see how many people here know it.
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on the post.
