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Treebranch
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They never last long, because the rely on strength too much. It seems like technique gets put on the back burner with these guys. A good example was Hughes and St. Pierre fight. St. Pierre is a better tactician and a superior martial artist.
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bushido_man96
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That may be an individual case. I don't think that just because "ground and pound" seems like a simplistic tactic means that the fighters are not as skilled. It is a generalization, and an unfair one, I think.
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Treebranch
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It's my opinion and I could very well be wrong, but it seems that way to me. Skills will save you when you have no strength to fight.
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bushido_man96
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Those guys do have skills. Granted, they may not be the same skill set that some of the more flashy or "strategic" fighters have, but they are skills just the same. And they do train them. I am pretty sure that once you get to that level, everyone is putting in pretty much the same amount of training time.
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I don't consider them Martial Artists. They are tough guys with alot of aggression and strength, but that eventually will run out. Besides, who would you rather be trained by? A ground and pounder or a MA'er like St. Pierre or BJ Penn?
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You may not consider them Martial Artists, but that doesn't mean that they are not.
I would take training by any of those guys. There is always something to learn.
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Those kind of guys seem like they take way too many hits and their tactics may work for them because of their toughness and strength. I don't it will work for most people. It's not an intelligent way to fight. Their careers will be short lived if they don't start incorporating some real skills.
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Toughness is one of many aspects that can be taken into consideration when fighting. Granted, not everyone has the same level of toughness. If it is a strength that you have, then you should definitely play to it.
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There's always someone stronger. If you only have one set of skills which are Ground and Pound and if your opponent nullifies your attacks every time you try it, what have you got left? A skilled fighter a true MA'er has an arsenal to choose from to adapt to most situations better than a Ground and Pounder. It would be safe to say that if both are equally tough, strong with the same endurance of equal weight and height...etc. The more skilled Martial Artist will win over the Ground and Pounder more times than not...no doubt.
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That depends on the degree to which the ground and pound fighter trains for his tactic. I am sure that they can adapt when they need to, and will, if they feel that they need to in their training. I don't think that they are truly restricted in their game; they just have to work to adapt, like any other fighter does. They play to their strengths and the opponent's weaknesses.
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