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Location: Karachi, Pakistan
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It has. I tested that theory and had my arm turned into a pretzel by the man who is now my Aikido sensei.
Mr. Ueshiba was dead-on, and his martial art is among the best in the world. Almost any art will protect you, but a few stand out as the greats, and Aikido is one of them. It takes a long time to learn, it takes a long time to perfect, and it is hard to do, but for self-defense, it is unrivaled once mastered.
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nonpuritan
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Joined: 02 Jul 2002
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Location: portland OR
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| My favorite stance I would use in a real fight is the muay thai basic stance. It seems the most logical realistic stance for a real fight. |
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Don Gwinn
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Joined: 01 Jul 2002
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Location: Virden, IL
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm glad it works for you. I don't know nearly as much about unarmed combat as you do. But I wasn't questioning the effectiveness of your art in tying arms into pretzels. I just wonder about the insistence in Aikido on deep concern and care that your attacker not be harmed if you can help it.
I almost studied Aikido and probably will in the future. I have nothing against the art, but I have a hard time believing Ueshiba was infallible. However, I think I misunderstood your statement. I thought you were saying that Bon and Northern Ogre's attitudes were the reason Ueshiba decided Jujutsu wasn't right, and I happen to agree with them.
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Eye of the Tiger
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Joined: 22 Apr 2002
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Location: England
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We use long stances to train in but preferably use shorter stances in a real life situation.
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Location: Karachi, Pakistan
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A low, explosive stance from which you can move around quickly is best. Shotokan back stance is nice, for me at least.
Mr. Gwinn: I think there's been a misunderstanding: I was simply saying that Ueshiba made his art as a way of subduing the attacker without harm.
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Bon
Black Belt
Joined: 10 Aug 2001
Posts: 1047
Location: Australia
Styles: BJJ, Kickboxing
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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On 2002-07-13 00:27,  -: wrote:
Mr. Ueshiba was dead-on, and his martial art is among the best in the world. Almost any art will protect you, but a few stand out as the greats, and Aikido is one of them. It takes a long time to learn, it takes a long time to perfect, and it is hard to do, but for self-defense, it is unrivaled once mastered.
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Could you defend yourself on the street right now ?
Sorry, man, I don't have 11 years to dedicate to learning effective self-defense. Give me BJJ which I can get a good understanding of in 6 months, combined with some solid kicks and punches from kickboxing and I feel fairly confident.
After 10 years of BJJ, you'll have no trouble with a street thug. In fact, I'd say after a year, most grapplers should be able to submit a street thug with relative ease.
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Bon
Black Belt
Joined: 10 Aug 2001
Posts: 1047
Location: Australia
Styles: BJJ, Kickboxing
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Gwinn: I think there's been a misunderstanding: I was simply saying that Ueshiba made his art as a way of subduing the attacker without harm.
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I've studied a little akido, akido can be quite nasty! For example, what about when an attacker grabs you from behind, you grab their hand, turning their palm up towards the ceiling, bringing their hand down over your shoulder and towards your chest. I don't know what it's called, but it's damn nasty! I'm sure you could cause some serious damage to your attacker if you wanted to.
Jiu jitsu is the same, what harm is their in choking someone out ? It's much better than exchanging blows. They might feel uncomfortable as they get choked out, but once they wake up, they'll be fine. You can easily control an opponent without harming them, how bad you hurt your opponent is up to you and quite frankly, I will not hesitate in hurting someone if they have the potential to do damage to me.
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Eye of the Tiger
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Location: England
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In a real life situation you would obviously be in a more up right stance, but the main reason for having low stances is for building up strengh inyour legs so you can become more powerful, and when your in a more upright stance fighting will seem more easy.
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Kensai
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Joined: 05 Jul 2002
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Location: Britain
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Gentleman please. All martial arts are great. Aikido, is soft and refined. I happen to love the Samurai arts from which Aikido came. O Sensei was a truely great man, as were many of the Budo and Chinese masters.
Aikido WORKS. No strength, no muscle and I am a big fella, and my Sensei a 5 foot woman could destroy me. But the point that O Sensei would make is that she does not have to.
Coming from a Shotokan upbringing, I thought that these soft techniques would not work, but they really do.
But think what you will gentleman. You are always welcome for a free test where I train. 
As far as stances go, for me either standing normally hands by my sides, or Kamae, basic T stance, infact its the only Aikido stance.
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Joined: 11 Jun 2002
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Location: Karachi, Pakistan
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Bon, I agree that a BJJ/Muay Thai combo is fast and effective street defense. It'll pull you through almost any rough situation. But what I do not tolerate is MMA masochists claiming that traditional arts are useless. BJJ and Muay Thai are in their place, but pit either one of them against a good Aikidoka, and that match is over.
And besides that, Aikido will change you. Not only as a fighter, but as a person. You learn to accept people as they are, rarely get angry, learn to control your temper, and understand why people act the way they do. MMA will not teach you that. It is simply fighting, period. Traditional MA is more than just training your body; you are training yourself, and 11 years down the road, it pays off.
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on the post.
