Standing Locks

MizuRyu · Green Belt

I always thought that standing locks were kinda iffy, but after goin at it with some senior students at the Ryu-Te dojo, I got a little rewritten. I think what makes them work so well for that particular style is the blocking system they use to set them up, they kind of suck your arm in no matter what you do, work angles and next thing you know you're on your knees tapping the floor and gritting your teeth.

Anyone have success with standing joint locks? You don't really hear many good combat stories about them.. but then again you barely hear any good combat stories at all.. at least I don't

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ps1 · Black Belt

I've sparred a couple Wing Chun guys who had good standing locks. In Daito Ryu we trained many of them, but they were always in set sequences. Not much as far as live fighting goes. Of course, in BJJ we usually take em' to the ground.
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bushido_man96 · KF Sensei

We used standing locks in Combat Hapkido, but I have not had to use any in a real situation yet. When we train, they are effective, but I would like to practice with more resistance before substantiating anything.
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elbows_and_knees · Black Belt

I've got plenty of combat stories involving locks, as where I work, we are supposed to restrain, not strike. However, I don't use anything like standing arm bars. I use the full nelson, rear naked choke and chicken wing more than anything.

I've seen other guys try various standing arm locks, and have rarely seen them work, other than a "hammer lock" I've had little success with chin na as well. it just doesn't seem to translate well.

cathal · Black Belt

Got a few links for images/video of some examples?
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MizuRyu · Green Belt

Chin na is awesome on the mat, not so hot on the street. I've seen it used in our Wing Chun school against boxers effectively, but it's not anywhere near the traditional Chin Na. It's a little more sloppy but it gets them on their knees. Chin Na seems to be much more suited to police work and things of the like versus a real one on one "I'm going to bash ur face in" moment.

In the Ryu-Te school I attend, they have a VERY unique way of applying the locks, and an excellent system for setting up the angle. It's a school where we emphasize more than ANYTHING a non-compliant opponent, and train exactly for that. The locks aren't what we strive for necessarily, but if you see the angle and opportunity you take it, and if it scews up we have a backup plan. Lots of quick footwork and an interesting parrying system, you spend a month 'blocking' and then move on to parrying and deflection, but with more room for error unlike Wing Chun.

I've seen videos of the Taiwan police force using Chin Na and it seems VERY effective in their case, partly because people are partially compliant when faced with a police officer, and they drill for hours a day in a RBSD environment.
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bushido_man96 · KF Sensei

It sounds like your Ryu Te school is a really great deal. Glad to hear all of the good things coming out of there.

I think you hit the nail on the head on training with non-compliant partners. You have to get used to that feeling of resistance, or it will do you no good at all in actual defense.
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masterintraining · Orange Belt

are mantis system has alot of joint locks and manipulation that resemles the mantis so we use alot of them , infact all of are grappling moves involve some type of join lock. and are Sifu has a tendancy to use alot joint lock moves own us when we practice ( well, that and backfist) so i now first hand how effective they can be.
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elbows_and_knees · Black Belt

using them in class doesn't necessarily attest to effectiveness. I can pull a lot of stuff of in class that I wouldn't use on the street.

bushido_man96 · KF Sensei

I have put on the standing locks in class, but we haven't done a whole lot of resisting with them. I really want to work them against resistance, because that is what I will have to face at work if I want someone to be compliant.
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