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sk0t
Orange Belt
Joined: 19 Apr 2002
Posts: 226
Location: Erie, PA
Styles: TKD, BJJ, Hapkido, Wing Chun
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I dont think that Art vs Art topics are worth anything at all...it causes people from different arts to fight about things that they are sworn by the "martial artists' hidden code to not fight about...
we all were taught to respect other arts...right?
then why are we bashing them...
a BJJ guy and a TKD meet in a bar.... they are not going to fight, they are going to grab a drink and talk about what they love to do...
And if they do fight, the both end of goign to jail anyways...or the hospital and then jail...and if the TKD get whooped his buddies back him up...if the BJJ gets whooped his buddies back him up...
Practicality of Martial Arts is a topic to discuss, but not bashing individual styles...
Cmon People, we all do the same thing, just on different levels...
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Jade_Lotus
Orange Belt
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 129
Location: Western US
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There are very few contructive posts, from which people can learn the differences in different styles, rather than this style is bettert than that style. I believe what you are looking for are threads that discuss the varying differences in each styles own philosophies, concepts, and theories, with the intent to learn and expand knowledge rather than be destructive toward one art or another. It's pointless to babble back and forth that this art is far better than that art. We all realize the importance that art and fighter play in the fighting arena, rather we should seek to learn and enrich our minds with the knowledge of other systems....discuss differenet philosophies, the different concepts that each has toward self-defense, the varying theories that each art embraces, compare and analyze differences, but do not weigh one against the other, for if you do this, then you bicker like little children. The path of the Martial way is never ending, one can never know all there is to know. "Keep your gaze wide and open" As we all travel down the path of the martial way, we must never stop learning, for do so will only limit yourself, and the true Martial Artist will never limit himself, physically or mentally, for to do so is very dangerous for the true Martial Artist. "A fool knows nothing, yet claims to know all....a master knows all, yet claims to know nothing..."
Let's all try to have constructive educating threads on "art vs art", so as to help eachother, in his/her journey down the Martial way.
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Karateka_latino
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2001
Posts: 1295
Location: Panama city, Panama
Styles: Goju-Ryu & Shotokan Karate do; Shaolin Kung Fu. Previous training in Muay Thai, J.K.D., Tai Chi & Taekwondo(wtf)
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I don't see the problem with this forum..
Just people too sensitive about the critics
Okay then.. why not change the name ... instead of "ART V ART". we can have a "Comparative Styles"... Not dicussion about who is the best, but about what are the pros and cons in every style.
Many newbies come and want to ask about what are the diferences of every styles. and we can all benefit with the knowlege of eachother.
And don't come with.. "my style have no weaknesses" because that's too much... |
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Karateka_latino
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2001
Posts: 1295
Location: Panama city, Panama
Styles: Goju-Ryu & Shotokan Karate do; Shaolin Kung Fu. Previous training in Muay Thai, J.K.D., Tai Chi & Taekwondo(wtf)
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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If you remember.. black belt magazine had a Comparative Styles section in which diferent masters from diferent styles deal against the same attack..
that was one of my favorite sections of all. |
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Kensai
Black Belt
Joined: 05 Jul 2002
Posts: 1415
Location: Britain
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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A good suggestion Submission. How to deal with whatever would be interesting.
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taezee
Brown Belt
Joined: 12 Jul 2001
Posts: 701
Location: Bayshore New York
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i agree with submision..comparitve is much better sounding then "art vs art" i dont get involed in this thread becuase i deal with enough of the same in the korean section when people come in there bashing taekwondo..this topic is one of the biggest waste of time in the martial arts world as a whole..not just in this forum..and to what point?? to what end? we have many people on hear with different styles..different background..different levels of skill and knowledge and the most important aspect of a martial artist."experience" instead try to learn and understand what other styles do from individuals who practice that style... and do a comparison...not something like "TKD all they do is kick to the head" or "ju jitsu all they do is grapple" these are both false staements but i see statements like this in here all the time and people having verbal sparring matches..and not saying im innocent of it..just feel its so unesscesary and to actually have a whole section deticated to it is funny to me
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BlackI
Orange Belt
Joined: 05 Aug 2002
Posts: 121
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Ditto..
I second that motion. It should be more along the lines of comparsion. To much mindless rubbish from people who have not taken the time to fully investigate the art they are dogging.
Let's file for a petition to change the forum name!!!
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Patrick
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Joined: 01 May 2001
Posts: 15500
Location: Harbinger, NC, U.S.A.
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Martial_Artist
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 19 Apr 2002
Posts: 935
Location: Western USA.
Styles: The Pure Art
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I don't think that the forum name necessarily needs to be changed. If people just changed their mentality behind an 'art vs art' dicussion then the need to get particular over wording vanishes. When we enter an art vs art discussion, are we doing it correctly? In my opinion, no. I have been lingering around this forum for quite some time, and to date I have not found a discussion worthy of comment. What I have found instead is bashing of one art over another and then the argument ending with someone saying, "Well it all really depends on the fighter anyways," and the topic moves to another art vs art bash-fest.
This forum needs to exist. Why? Because not all arts are created equal, not all arts accomplish combat, or physical fitness. Arts are not to be generalized, then emasculated to conform to an "everything is good" mentality. There is no good without bad, no sweet without sour; and all arts are not great.
It is childish, and lacking in personal chutzpa to simply generalize everything and call it all good. To progress there must be a path ahead full of obstacles. Growth does not occur without challenge. The river does not remain pure without flowing. If it sits still it stagnates.
One art does not complete the martial artist. Neither does two. If you are a stylist, then ask yourself, "How can one or two arts complete me as a fighter?" I ask, how can they? You study the movements and the patterns of one art, then another, and you are still within the boundaries of those two arts, which do not (by simple declaration that they are individual and unique styles) contain all that the other does; and you remain incomplete. The mere thought that one art can fully develop you as a fighter is ridiculous. Not to mention an impossibility.
If your goal is something other than fighting, then perhaps one or two arts can develop what you consider to be requiste for your personal growth, but I state that one or two or even three will not fully develop you as a complete fighter, it may make you a good fighter, but complete...never.
I don't need to reiterate my personal philosophy on the martial arts, I have done that sufficiently enough in other forums, those that have read, know.
Art vs art, if this path is followed sufficiently with the proper mind-set, then the truth will be found. Therefore, this forum must exist, not in its current useless state, but with progressive, thoughtful posts on the differences between styles. Only then will the purity of the martial arts be discovered.
Maybe some have noticed, I haven't posted in a long while. While I don't seek to boast, I haven't found any posts interesting enough on a martial arts level to comment on. I am a martial artist in the purest form. I see the martial arts beyond style and pattern and for what the martial arts is: the study of human form for combat and personal development. It is through the fist that we martial artists seek to find ourselves, and it is through the fight that we discover who we are.
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