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sensei8
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Target Selection!! Reply with quote

While speed is important; target selection and the accuracy of where and how it's delivered to any said target is far more important.

Iyho, Yes OR no? And why?

Let the discussion begin.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you need to have a real opening in an effective spot, and then you need the speed to take advantage of it, haha! But if you are just moving fast with no power or technique, it's probably going to be garbage. If you're hitting in an ineffective spot, also likely garbage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Re: Target Selection!! Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:
While speed is important; target selection and the accuracy of where and how it's delivered to any said target is far more important.

Iyho, Yes OR no? And why?

Let the discussion begin.



Speed without accuracy is going to be inefficient and inaccurate, but also having accuracy but not the speed to get into the target isn't going to work either.

You need both.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To quote the Patriot: "Aim small, miss small."
Don't aim for the head. Hit the left eye, and I mean the eye. If you "miss" you still land a solid shot. Aim for the bottom corner of the floating rib, if you "miss" it's still a good body shot. Hitting "the body" isn't a target. It's an idea of what to do.

You need speed enough to hit the opening. Knowledge enough to know the effect that hit will have. Accuracy enough to actually hit it. Power enough to actually do something when it lands. Timing/perception enough to take advantage of the opening before it's gone or all of the above won't matter. It's why we train, because if it were simple and easy, everyone would do it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed.

I believe this could be thought of as the Ma-ai concept. Its about tying together all of speed, accuracy, power and distancing to achieve a "perfect hit" (if there is such a thing).

Bruce Lee (in teh Tao of Jeet Kun Do) notes an interesting point about speed, saying that people who just strike continually with speed often end up 'blocking' themselves....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamesu wrote:
Agreed.

I believe this could be thought of as the Ma-ai concept. Its about tying together all of speed, accuracy, power and distancing to achieve a "perfect hit" (if there is such a thing).

Bruce Lee (in teh Tao of Jeet Kun Do) notes an interesting point about speed, saying that people who just strike continually with speed often end up 'blocking' themselves....

Interested by what you mean when you say they 'block' themselves.
Is it to do with them continually striking and so not seeing the chance for something more effective?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just that, I also note that when people set out to move fast, their structure tends to fail on them and not be used properly. As a result, they throw a series of lightning-fast strikes, none of which would make a four year old cry on the receiving end let alone drop a resisting target.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I can see how speed would take away from power just didnt quite understand how they would be blocking themselves. Think I may have been thinking too literally though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its looking like a good thread, I will abstain from answering until a few more replies are added
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't aim to be fast. Aim to be smooth. Smooth is fast.
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