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Alan Armstrong
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MatsuShinshii
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Must be a typo. I have seen it spelled Ti and Di in Okinawan and Te or De in Japanese but never Tee.
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Alan Armstrong
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| MatsuShinshii wrote: |
Must be a typo. I have seen it spelled Ti and Di in Okinawan and Te or De in Japanese but never Tee. |
Must admit I found the spelling to look odd also...
Anglicizing oriental words can be spelt any way that gets the sound across (therefore it isn't a typo) what is most important is the meaning above all; agreed?
How many different spellings are there for the style of Wing Chun?
Apart from spelling preferences, how did you like or dislike the documentary? |
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singularity6
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I started watching it, and got about half way through before needing to tend to other things. One thing that stood out: the claim that the Okinawans developed it because they were not allowed to have weapons... I'm pretty sure this "myth" was dispelled.
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MatsuShinshii
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| singularity6 wrote: |
| I started watching it, and got about half way through before needing to tend to other things. One thing that stood out: the claim that the Okinawans developed it because they were not allowed to have weapons... I'm pretty sure this "myth" was dispelled. |
Correct, this is a myth.
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singularity6
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Ah, thanks! 
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Spartacus Maximus
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It is indeed a myth and easily disproved with a little basic knowledge of social history. Ryukyuan society was class-based, and up until the Ryukyu Kingdom was annexed and abolished by the Imperial Japanese authorities, the only people with the time and use to train in martial arts were the upper classes and nobles.
When the Ryukyu Kingdom was abolished, many of the upper class lost their socioeconomic status and were forced to become farmers, merchants or tradesmen.
Despite this they found ways to secretly continue training and practising martial arts whenever they could and with whatever means they had available. This becomes obvious by looking into the background of every single founder of the Okinawan karate styles. All of them are of noble warrior class and some are even of Royal blood. None of them descend from commoners or peasants. |
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MatsuShinshii
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Spartacus, is correct.
Peasants did not create Toudi (Karate). A farmer/peasant could not afford to travel to China to train nor would they have access to the Chinese emissaries. Since we know that Chinese Quan Fa contributed to Toudi(Karate) this refutes the argument. Ti and Muto (Tegumi) were a product of the upper military class and the arts that were merged with these were a product of the Aristocratic classes (Chikudun, Satonushi, Pechin, etc.) not the commoner class which included farmers, fishermen, laborers and the such.
This is purely a romanticize theory of western Karateka. Just like the Samurai of Japan or the Knights of England, the noble class of the Ryukyu kingdom were the warriors and were afforded the opportunity to learn martial arts, writing and the like.
Oh and other than Kiwa and Eku, Buki (Kobudo) weapons were not a product of farm or common implements either. Just in case this would be the next topic for a history lesson.
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MatsuShinshii
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| MatsuShinshii wrote: |
Must be a typo. I have seen it spelled Ti and Di in Okinawan and Te or De in Japanese but never Tee. |
Must admit I found the spelling to look odd also...
Anglicizing oriental words can be spelt any way that gets the sound across (therefore it isn't a typo) what is most important is the meaning above all; agreed?
How many different spellings are there for the style of Wing Chun?
Apart from spelling preferences, how did you like or dislike the documentary? |
I'll accept that but would add that whoever spelled it that way probably has no knowledge of the Okinawan or Japanese language or of the art itself. This is definitely a western spelling by sounding it out. They did not know that "i" is pronounced as "e".
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Alan Armstrong
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Just as the Japanese have difficulties pronouncing R and L in English words as they tend switch the them, to make one sound like the other.
Was the documentary agreeable to you?
Or has the Tee and history issues, blunted your curiosity on watching the entire production? |
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on the post.
