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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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Ideally that would be the case, but it rarely is. Self defence is something that unless specifically addressed, skills gained in it by doing general martial arts, will be average at best. |
Even some average skills can help to get one out of a situation. However, I think martial arts study should lend a focus to these kinds of situations.
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cross
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Even some average skills can help to get one out of a situation. However, I think martial arts study should lend a focus to these kinds of situations. |
Ofcourse a basic idea helps, but those average skills that might save you also just might get you hurt or killed. |
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James Bullock
Orange Belt
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
Posts: 182
Location: Missouri
Styles: Combative Sciences, GoJu Ryu, Kenpo Karate, JKD
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baronbvp
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
Posts: 1132
Location: Berlin, Germany
Styles: JKD/MMA, Muay Thai, Shorin Ryu, military combat arts, fencing, archery
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Exactly. I believe the average attacker is an above average fighter or he wouldn't be doing it. If you want to defend yourself most effectively against the most likely threat, then train to get better at the threat's medium - fighting.
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NinTai
Yellow Belt
Joined: 12 May 2005
Posts: 99
Styles: Shorin-Ryu Shorinkan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think that both are really necessary. While I enjoy training in both, I think what your needs come down to what you want to focus your training on. Training to fight will help you become a better fighter. Learning forms may also help you with learning to fight, but it is in more of a round-about way. First, you learn the form. Second, you learn the bunkai, which you can't start on until you have a good, at least basic, understanding of the form. Then, from the bunkai, you can move into more applications. You go from a one-step process to a three-step process.
However, fighting drills have their place, as well. |
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How much time does a boxer spend in the gym "not fighting" compaired to
the time he spends in the ring "fighting" (sparring or otherwise).
I could ask "What's the point of a speed bag?" You don't hit it the same way you punch in the ring. Not a realistic way to spend your time.
And what about shadow boxing? You have no feed back don't hit anything and can easily fall into a predictable routine.
I won't even get into the preset routines with the punching mitts, or how does jumping rope and all those fancy rope routines help.
Before I get "flamed" that was tounge and cheek, but just like kata, if you don't use it right or know how to use it in your training then don't
blame the kata.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, and I research Medieval Combat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Question:
How much time does a boxer spend in the gym "not fighting" compaired to
the time he spends in the ring "fighting" (sparring or otherwise).
I could ask "What's the point of a speed bag?" You don't hit it the same way you punch in the ring. Not a realistic way to spend your time.
And what about shadow boxing? You have no feed back don't hit anything and can easily fall into a predictable routine.
I won't even get into the preset routines with the punching mitts, or how does jumping rope and all those fancy rope routines help.
Before I get "flamed" that was tounge and cheek, but just like kata, if you don't use it right or know how to use it in your training then don't
blame the kata.
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What the boxer does with those exercises is practice timing, gain conditioning, and prepare for their ring fights. All of them build on each other, and the mitt practice helps them to learn the combinations and set ups.
I am not going to disagree with you that forms can be used to help fighting training. What you have pointed out in boxing is the conditioning aspect of thier sport/art. I think that they spend a lot more time sparring than many traditional styles of martial arts spend sparring.
Forms are great. Fighting is great. A good balance is a good recommendation, I think.
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chillindan
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Joined: 15 Nov 2006
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Location: UK
Styles: GKR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with that, I think from what I have learned in the short time I have been studying Karate is that you need balance in your training. You need sparring you need kata you need line drills.
I enjoy all aspects of training and for different reasons. Sparring alone wont help you develop your leg muscles like kata does with its exagerated stances and movements. But on the other hand kata wont help you with your timing and distance and line drills are great for working on your technique.
So IMHO a little bit of all aspects of MA training will help you become a better fighter. As is pointed out above in previous posts boxers dont just spar they do a multitude of other types of training. |
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NightOwl
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 988
Location: Japan
Styles: This and that, Rookie Judo
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| chillindan wrote: |
I agree with that, I think from what I have learned in the short time I have been studying Karate is that you need balance in your training. You need sparring you need kata you need line drills.
I enjoy all aspects of training and for different reasons. Sparring alone wont help you develop your leg muscles like kata does with its exagerated stances and movements. But on the other hand kata wont help you with your timing and distance and line drills are great for working on your technique.
So IMHO a little bit of all aspects of MA training will help you become a better fighter. As is pointed out above in previous posts boxers dont just spar they do a multitude of other types of training. |
Right, but you don't need kata for balance and leg training.
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Patrick
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